A small Scottish incident with a noisy marina neighbor - what would you have done?

[Seajet]

I sometimes play this soundtrack in daytime at the beginning of the season, but not that loud and it's mercifully brief...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKogc14hHtQ

I used to be of the ' approach and berate any noisy inconsiderate noisy berks ' school of thinking, but since a plucky - petite female - chum chased a thug around Brighton Marina - he was high on drugs and had just stabbed & murdered a woman - I think twice...

It has been known for one to take a morning swim after a disturbed night and insert a cork or suitably sized bung in any handy intakes - it always seems to be mobo's making the noise and they're the easiest to knobble...

 

[jonjo]

Prior to that sales were in the 70,000s. As you say, sales have settled in the 50,000s. It is slowly becoming financially unviable. He has been trying to sell one of the camping fields he bought for some years as he doesn't need it anymore.

Let's summarise:

1. Any mathematician looking at ticket sales would recognize a sustained plateau at 58,000, whereas you see nothing but decline.
2. The Isle of Wight Council are idiots talking about a £10 to £15 million local benefit from £25 million gross income and we should believe your estimate of say £10,000.
3. The Festival is economically unviable even though it is firmly established as one of the largest in the UK.

 

[l'escargot]

Let's summarise:

1. Any mathematician looking at ticket sales would recognize a sustained plateau at 58,000, whereas you see nothing but decline.
2. The Isle of Wight Council are idiots talking about a £10 to £15 million local benefit from £25 million gross income and we should believe your estimate of say £10,000.
3. The Festival is economically unviable even though it is firmly established as one of the largest in the UK.

1 Only if the mathematician ignores the decline from a higher figure of around 70,000 when the organisers were confidently predicting a rise of 20,000

2 Figures plucked from the air and I didn't make any estimate. Anyone who thinks 40% of the gross income from a festival goes into the local economy has no knowledge of the financing of a festival.

3 Watch this space. Even Glastonbury is struggling to survive with ticket sales of 200,000. The last one made a pretax profit of £86,000 and he is currently trying to do a deal to offload it to Longleat.

You are still avoiding the question, who are these IW businesses taking all this money then?

 

[Seajet]

The modern IOW Festival...

I have no idea of it does the IOW income any good overall, I'd have thought it must ?

I remember as a boy my parents picking up a French hitch-hiker after the 1970 Jimi Hendrix do and letting him crash out for the night - he was a nice guy but starving - never seen anyone go through eggs and bacon so fast, it was like watching a threshing machine in operation !

One person whose opinion of the IOW Festival I'd like to know is the landlord of the Folly; people like me steer well clear just before, during and after the festival...

 

[l'escargot]

...One person whose opinion of the IOW Festival I'd like to know is the landlord of the Folly; people like me steer well clear just before, during and after the festival...

Whether he makes more money or not, they are part of the Old English Inns chain who are owned by the Greene King Brewery. Now guess whether they are an IW company or not...

 

[Mister E]

The noise in Scotland has started a row on the IOW. They must have been very load to get a reaction that far away.

As far as a party on a boat goes I was thinking about this. Does anyone know where you can get Stink Bombs from?

 

[Seajet]

Whether he makes more money or not, they are part of the Old English Inns chain who are owned by the Greene King Brewery. Now guess whether they are an IW company or not...

I don't want to get into one of your idiotic arguments again, but I was thinking he employs local people, uses local procuce and normally makes a profit from visiting boats, but the festival drives the boats away.

Mister E,

the idea of the taped on gas horn seems appealing, but there's always the option of the ultimate chemical warfare even the Warsaw Pact would cringe away from; a chemical loo emptied down the ventilators should keep the buggers occupied for the morning after !

 

[l'escargot]

I don't want to get into one of your idiotic arguments again, but I was thinking he employs local people, uses local procuce and normally makes a profit from visiting boats, but the festival drives the boats away...

He employs local people whether or not the festival is on, very little local produce from the island finds it's way onto the menu of a chain pub and the profits go to the non IW owners of the chain. I would think the visiting boats driven away are probably balanced out by the number that come for the festival so probably no net gain or loss there. No idiotic argument on my part - now you've crept back in though, can we expect to see more of yours... :encouragement:

 

[jonjo]

You are still avoiding the question, who are these IW businesses taking all this money then?

I was talking about local economic benefit, you have subtly shifted the issue so as to back away from a weak position. Your stealth tactics have been noted.

Would you also claim that the total turnover of London listed UK PLCs has no economic benefit to the UK because these PLCs are not owned by the Government?

The 17 year old waitress I talked to in a Yarmouth cafe seemed to be more tuned into IOW economics than you. When I asked if she had been to the Festival I got a look of incomprehension then she politely explained the money on the festival weekend is so good she has to work. Money in an economy circulates as the BBC is quick to point out when a heavy industry plant closes down, the jobs at risk are 5 times the headline figure as the primary industry at the top of the chain pumps money into the local economy. So that waitress will eventually spend her money from her bumper working weekend. Even the mainland portaloo business will have to send a crew over ahead of the festival to set things up, that crew will be on overtime and will head off to spend their wages locally, perhaps they will jump on a Sally Ferry and head to Cowes, the local bus company must pull in every trained driver over the 4 days to drive buses at max capacity full of passengers paying special x2 fares, the steward to visitor ratio must be 50:1 or say 500 locals, then add regular police on overtime paid for by the organizers and finally the extra bar staff at Island Harbour who were serving drinks at 1am before we boarded the Sally Ferry down river with two crew aboard working through the night.

 

[l'escargot]

I was talking about local economic benefit, you have subtly shifted the issue so as to back away from a weak position. Your stealth tactics have been noted.

Would you also claim that the total turnover of London listed UK PLCs has no economic benefit to the UK because these PLCs are not owned by the Government?

The 17 year old waitress I talked to in a Yarmouth cafe seemed to be more tuned into IOW economics than you. When I asked if she had been to the Festival I got a look of incomprehension then she politely explained the money on the festival weekend is so good she has to work. Money in an economy circulates as the BBC is quick to point out when a heavy industry plant closes down, the jobs at risk are 5 times the headline figure as the primary industry at the top of the chain pumps money into the local economy. So that waitress will eventually spend her money from her bumper working weekend. Even the mainland portaloo business will have to send a crew over ahead of the festival to set things up, that crew will be on overtime and will head off to spend their wages locally, perhaps they will jump on a Sally Ferry and head to Cowes, the local bus company must pull in every trained driver over the 4 days to drive buses at max capacity full of passengers paying special x2 fares, the steward to visitor ratio must be 50:1 or say 500 locals, then add regular police on overtime paid for by the organizers and finally the extra bar staff at Island Harbour who were serving drinks at 1am before we boarded the Sally Ferry down river with two crew aboard working through the night.

No shift of position at all - it's you getting further and further away from your suggestion that I will benefit from a reduction in rates from festival profits. :encouragement:

I see you can still only come up with non IW companies raking in the money - mainland agencies bring in all the festival staff, nearly all from the mainland. Do you really think there are 500 people available, or interested in, a weekend of work as a "steward" on the IW, let alone the several thousand other staff needed? The festival machine is like a big touring circus that goes from event to event around the country. Even the (mainland) bus company and (mainland) police pull in (mainland) staff to bolster the island staff for the event to send money off the island.

I do like your image of the portaloo operatives jumping on the Sally water taxi (yes, one of the local taxis making money out of the festival) to go down to Cowes to spend their money though - no matter how unlikely it is - and you accuse me of "stealth tactics" and a "weak position"...

There is sometimes an idea that the benevolent visitors to the IW are in some way improving our lot, you're only visiting another county at the end of the day, not some sort of separate economy. Have a think about what you spent at the weekend, can you think of some examples of that which may have found it's way into the IW coffers to reduce my "local Rates"?

 

[jonjo]

I see you can still only come up with non IW companies raking in the money - mainland agencies bring in all the festival staff, nearly all from the mainland.

Hmm let's think about it, you are running an agency business to provide low wage staff to a festival, do you recruit locally from a population eager for any work or bus in people from more economically buoyant regions which requires accommodating them and shipping them across the most expensive ferry route in Europe?

Anyhow others can now decide whether the local IOW benefit is limited to your assertion about a handful of taxi drivers on bumper earnings or the £10 to 15 million estimate from the local council who licence the event.

 

[l'escargot]

Hmm let's think about it, you are running an agency business to provide low wage staff to a festival, do you recruit locally from a population eager for any work or bus in people from more economically buoyant regions which requires accommodating them and shipping them across the most expensive ferry route in Europe?

Anyhow others can now decide whether the local IOW benefit is limited to your assertion about a handful of taxi drivers on bumper earnings or the £10 to 15 million estimate from the local council who licence the event.

Ah, you think there is a pool of thousands of people sat around on the IW "eager for any work" and "low wage" work for one weekend every June Afraid not - you really have no idea do you. Over here they go for mainland agencies or get in Eastern Europeans for that sort of work the same as everywhere else.

John Giddings doesn't put an advert in the local rag looking for people to interview to marshal cars and tend bar - he tenders out to an events agency. There is a whole sub culture who work the summer round the festivals - they even have their own camps, showers/toilets and food outlets on site - it used to be "Barcode" who did the IW but I think someone else has the contract to do it now. The agencies do all the events from a national pool of staff, my daughter works for several and has done festivals all over the country. She did barwork forthe IW once a couple of years back and she only met one other girl from the IW working for the agency - the local youngsters would rather attend. The agencies do everything from festivals, to SIBs, to Goodwood and beyond. They can't rely on getting local staff for big events anywhere.

Yes, others can decide if I can enjoy a "nice big discount on the local rates" on the back of the IW festival. Just as they can decide whether the good people of Southampton can enjoy the same on the back of Sunseeker selling all those boats at SIBs or the good people of Somerset enjoy the same on the back of the nice farmer in Glastonbury...:encouragement:

 

[GrahamM376]

Graham, was it you in portavadie by any chance? I made the mistake last year of staying overnight at gemelier island in Turkey when all the party boats rocked up. Incredibly loud but we still found it amusing, our mistake and par for the course. I found it an all together different situation when four/ five guys think it's acceptable to hit full volume on a full on club style sound system whilst screaming at the tops of their voices for hours on end in an otherwise very peaceful place. Especially with a diabolical hits of the 80's soundtrack. To me it is complete arrogance to make that much noise and to hell with everyone else. Young children on board or not for us. Different contexts/different behaviour? Cheers, Shaun.

Hits of the 60's and I would tell them to turn it up I know it can be annoying but a quiet word the next day is often the way to go. Maybe we've just got used to the noise in many places, too many marinas and anchorages are surrounded by bars all playing different music. Must admit though, *issed up Brits watching Sky Sports are some of the worst offenders.

 

[johnalison]

Hits of the 60's and I would tell them to turn it up I know it can be annoying but a quiet word the next day is often the way to go. Maybe we've just got used to the noise in many places, too many marinas and anchorages are surrounded by bars all playing different music. Must admit though, *issed up Brits watching Sky Sports are some of the worst offenders.

I don't find it easy to have a quiet word the next morning when I have lost most of one night's sleep. I do, on the other hand, find it easier to put up with foreign bars ashore, I suppose on the grounds that the poor dears don't know any better.

 

[Mister E]

Mister E,

the idea of the taped on gas horn seems appealing, but there's always the option of the ultimate chemical warfare even the Warsaw Pact would cringe away from; a chemical loo emptied down the ventilators should keep the buggers occupied for the morning after !

Or the contents of the Portaloo from the IOW Festival.

 

[[70521]]

What we need is somebody to come up with a small black box that once pressed stopped the noise, perhaps by destroying a tiny electrical component deep in the system. I'd happy pay quite a lot of money for such a device.

 

[Grumpybear]

What we need is somebody to come up with a small black box that once pressed stopped the noise, perhaps by destroying a tiny electrical component deep in the system. I'd happy pay quite a lot of money for such a device.

Glock make what you seek, but alas you would need a permit for it.