"...a Porsche and a Hallberg-Rassy...."

Bob Stay said:
I'm puzzled by the suggestion that Halbergs aren't AWBs, as they are mass produced, plastic bermudan sloops, to be found in every marina in Europe; surely the archetypal AWB :encouragement:
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I can understand your sentiment, and agree to a point.

But something changes when you actually own one. Don't know what, or why, but it just happens.

Having said that, the biggest and most expensive HR pales in comparison to my all teak Cheoy Lee Vertue hand built by Hong Kong shipwrights in 1963.
 
On the mobo forum, its all Porsches for a bit of fun and as a spare, Range Rovers as the main family car, Mercedes A classes for the kids and a Princess 50 stinkpot for cocktails on the Hamble. I kid you not. My Porsche and Rassy dream is pale in comparison. Can't believe it comes into question.
 
The real problem is that the op can't see it's a false contradiction. The suggestion is that the same character shouldn't find a Porsche and a HR appealing. What does he think goes with the Porsche? An Open 60? A fancy multi hull?

I can't afford a Porche but we've had three Morgan's and at the risk of being accused of taking up hairdressing we've just bought a modern SLK. We've owned classic yachts and now have a rather vintage Westerly but so what? They're only things but they bring us pleasure and that's all that matters.
 
Resolution said:
Well I must disagree with you about cars. Many are indeed mundane, there to do a job. But some are stylish or stirring to drive , or sometimes both. Of course not all drivers wish to be stirred!
I didn't mean to denigrate HRs. I have sailed on a few and there can be no doubting their quality and effectiveness. Bit calm on the stir factor, IMHO.
Peter
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Such is the worship of cars by some vocal sections of the forum, mostly owners of depreciating assets that I couldn't dream of affording, that I felt obliged to answer in terms that may have slightly overstated my position. Nevertheless, I still regard cars as a necessary evil, and their use for recreation as something I can happily do without.

HRs bear some relation to AWBs in that they are cleverly mass-produced to appear hand-built and in some contexts, I regard mine as one, but as said, their lack of whiteness militates against their AWBness and the quality and care taken in design, scantlings and build, as well as their cost, does put them in a slightly different category, along with other Swedish boats and such as Contests. There is, in case you don't know a sort of hierarchy among HR owners, with those of my generation looking at current boats as being short of the quality that we think our craft have, while owners of the old Enderlein designs look down on my lot as upstarts, and not real HRs at all.
 
john_morris_uk said:
The real problem is that the op can't see it's a false contradiction. The suggestion is that the same character shouldn't find a Porsche and a HR appealing. What does he think goes with the Porsche? An Open 60? A fancy multi hull?

I can't afford a Porche but we've had three Morgan's and at the risk of being accused of taking up hairdressing we've just bought a modern SLK. We've owned classic yachts and now have a rather vintage Westerly but so what? They're only things but they bring us pleasure and that's all that matters.
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Good on you for the Morgans, uniquely classic. In starting this thread I was half hoping that we would get some weird combinations of car / boat ownership. We certainly seem to have some appealing oldish cars!

The match for a Porsche surely has to be a motor boat?
Peter
 
Resolution said:
Good on you for the Morgans, uniquely classic. In starting this thread I was half hoping that we would get some weird combinations of car / boat ownership. We certainly seem to have some appealing oldish cars!

The match for a Porsche surely has to be a motor boat?
Peter
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As with 2 earlier posters have a Morgan. The only sensible toy to have. probably better to look at then to drive if you want high speed and good roadholding, but gives wonderful feel good feeling.

Coupled with my new Bavaria 33 gives an unbeatable combination and driving to the club for a good day sail on a nice summer day is as close to perfection as I can get (in boat and car terms anyway).
 
I may be deluded but like to think I'm not an old fart, or at least don't have an old farts mindset. But if I am one then at least describe me as an old fartess! I have a small HR of the more modern design looked down upon by owners of the older heavier models.

I don't own or want a Porsche, could not afford one in any case, and drive a 15 yr old rust bucket Ford Puma which I love as much as my boat! Though I think the UK HR dealer was surprised by my car as I arrived to pick up my lovely new boat. I don't fit the OPs stereotype, nor the one about men being the boat owner with reluctant "wife". As a woman, I bought, own and maintain the boat by myself.

I dont know how HR owners are meant to dress but have been told on numerous occasions that I don't look like an owner. HR owners are as varied as the owners of any other marque and a very friendly bunch too....��
 
Vanilla said:
I may be deluded but like to think I'm not an old fart, or at least don't have an old farts mindset. But if I am one then at least describe me as an old fartess! I have a small HR of the more modern design looked down upon by owners of the older heavier models.

I don't own or want a Porsche, could not afford one in any case, and drive a 15 yr old rust bucket Ford Puma which I love as much as my boat! Though I think the UK HR dealer was surprised by my car as I arrived to pick up my lovely new boat. I don't fit the OPs stereotype, nor the one about men being the boat owner with reluctant "wife". As a woman, I bought, own and maintain the boat by myself.

I dont know how HR owners are meant to dress but have been told on numerous occasions that I don't look like an owner. HR owners are as varied as the owners of any other marque and a very friendly bunch too....��
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Will you marry me? Are you pretty? Are you rich? (Answer the last question first). :cool:
 
Vanilla said:
I may be deluded but like to think I'm not an old fart, or at least don't have an old farts mindset. But if I am one then at least describe me as an old fartess! I have a small HR of the more modern design looked down upon by owners of the older heavier models.

I don't own or want a Porsche, could not afford one in any case, and drive a 15 yr old rust bucket Ford Puma which I love as much as my boat! Though I think the UK HR dealer was surprised by my car as I arrived to pick up my lovely new boat. I don't fit the OPs stereotype, nor the one about men being the boat owner with reluctant "wife". As a woman, I bought, own and maintain the boat by myself.

I dont know how HR owners are meant to dress but have been told on numerous occasions that I don't look like an owner. HR owners are as varied as the owners of any other marque and a very friendly bunch too....
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I' ve never owned a new car, old cars like Alvis TA 14 and 21 were good enough for me!
Used to routinely shell out £120,000 + for a new lorry,though.
I'm he happy owner of a 1973 HR Rasmus/NAB. Proper seagoing boat.
I don't knock the newer ones though.
 
Threads like this remind me how far outside the core demographic of the forum I am.
My dream car is one where all the body panels are the same colour.
 
I used to have a Porsche and now I have a HR.

Q: How many HR owners does it take to fix the diesel?
A: Two. One to mix the gin and tonics and one to call the Volvo engineer.
 
pandroid said:
I used to have a Porsche and now I have a HR.

Q: How many HR owners does it take to fix the diesel?
A: Two. One to mix the gin and tonics and one to call the Volvo engineer.
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Hahahah.... The best Swedish boat is a Najad.. Especially a 343 ;-))
 
Frank Holden said:
Meanwhile, this is my sailmaker's 'daily drive'....

It is set up as a camper and when not hauling sails my man has been known to go by frog across the Andes on hols.... I think he went to Peru a few years ago...

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Chile and Peru. Welcome to the thread and you win the prize for the furthest remote response! Also for the least sexy boating car!
Peter
 
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