A new European sailing directive will apply from January 18, 2016.

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Navigations zones will be dropped in favour of boats being judged suitable for certain wind and wave conditions.

Boats which were previously included in the unlimited category with respect to wind and waves: -

The obligation for manufacturers to build to this norm will now be limited to the top end of F9 as it is considered that no manufacturer can guarantee the integrity of boats beyond this.

Stability norms are being redefined having a direct consequence on the construction and solidity of keels. Quite a few of the current builders will have to revise their plans. This will also apply to imported boats and the importer will have the legal responsibility for ensuring compliance.

These norms will also apply to the repair work which must be done after a keel grounds. It is expected that repair costs will increase significantly as well as the related insurance costs.

Holding tanks will become obligatory for all units with a fixed toilet.

Engines will be subject to more restrictive pollution criteria.
 

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Does the document you've found stipulate whether these new regs apply retrospectively or just to new bateaux?
 

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One would certainly hope not, but then you never can tell with them wot scribble the new regs...
 

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I don't think it's unreasonable for new boats to have holding tanks fitted - if designed in from the start, it shouldn't be difficult to find the space, and it adds comparatively little to the cost. Retrofitting to old boats is another story - I'm fitting a tank to our Oyster 406, and given the space constraints it will need to be custom built, at around £500 for the tank alone.

Neil
 

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I don't think it's unreasonable for new boats to have holding tanks fitted - if designed in from the start, it shouldn't be difficult to find the space, and it adds comparatively little to the cost. Retrofitting to old boats is another story - I'm fitting a tank to our Oyster 406, and given the space constraints it will need to be custom built, at around £500 for the tank alone.

Agree - though in our case the issue is one of space rather than cost. The cockpit locker is adjacent to the heads and would be a reasonable location, but putting any sort of tank in there would completely prevent me stowing the dinghy.

Pete
 

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Agree - though in our case the issue is one of space rather than cost. The cockpit locker is adjacent to the heads and would be a reasonable location, but putting any sort of tank in there would completely prevent me stowing the dinghy.

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I don't know if still available but there used to be one that is shsped like a horseshoe and fits around the toilet itself. Ours ( Benny instaled option) is a long tall Sally, installed vertically inside a locker in the heads right adjacent to the loo itself , not huge capacity at around 20 gallons but very good for gravity discharge.
 

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I don't know if still available but there used to be one that is shsped like a horseshoe and fits around the toilet itself. Ours ( Benny instaled option) is a long tall Sally, installed vertically inside a locker in the heads right adjacent to the loo itself , not huge capacity at around 20 gallons but very good for gravity discharge.

RM69 which is a simple bog-standard loo has a 25l one. Unfortuantely I think the though-hulls won't leave enough room for that.

OTOH our local dépôt-vente has tanks at 30€, without any fittings though.

I needed an RM69 part and yesterday they said to simply send my address and they would send it FOC. Credit where credit is due.
 

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RM69 which is a simple bog-standard loo has a 25l one. Unfortuantely I think the though-hulls won't leave enough room for that.

The RM69 one has a notoriously unreliable changeover valve. Unfortunately, because it's a really neat solution otherwise.
 

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I don't know if still available but there used to be one that is shsped like a horseshoe and fits around the toilet itself. Ours ( Benny instaled option) is a long tall Sally, installed vertically inside a locker in the heads right adjacent to the loo itself , not huge capacity at around 20 gallons but very good for gravity discharge.

The one you have is the right way to do it. If I had space for one of those I'd have fitted it already. I don't plan to fit one requiring complex plumbing and valves and pumps unless and until it becomes unavoidable. The under-bog one is unappealing because it adds lots of fiddly nooks and crannies in what is currently a smooth, sealed, easy-to-clean GRP area. It also involves valves and pumps, and I don't trust it not to smell. Finally, it looks unpleasant.

Pete
 

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So it is ok to discharge sewage into a marina? I find some of the reasons above not to fit tanks staggering.

I am not a member of the Green Party but come on. Discharging human excrement anywhere other than open sea is not something anyone can defend.
 

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So it is ok to discharge sewage into a marina? I find some of the reasons above not to fit tanks staggering.

I am not a member of the Green Party but come on. Discharging human excrement anywhere other than open sea is not something anyone can defend.

Did anyone suggest that?? do the marinas you frequent not have shoreside amenities?
 

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The RM69 one has a notoriously unreliable changeover valve. Unfortunately, because it's a really neat solution otherwise.

I can vouch for that, we had endless problems with ours. Also, pumping out using the toilet pump is far from ideal for a whole variety of reasons. I do agree about service from the company, they sent us many spares FOC but I would have preferred not to need any. We replaced ours after three or four years with a gravity tank, totally reliable.
 

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So it is ok to discharge sewage into a marina? I find some of the reasons above not to fit tanks staggering.

I am not a member of the Green Party but come on. Discharging human excrement anywhere other than open sea is not something anyone can defend.
Do you not use the facilities ashore?
 
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