A new Challenge

To be fair, it was posted at 3:29am - I'm just getting up about then, but in a former life would be rolling in from heavy water-sampling session at local watering hole... ;)

On a serious note, if there's a catalyst of some kind to enable a fast track molecule splitting without oodles of energy, then it sounds very interesting! That said, I'd personally be keeping very quiet as various people in the field have allegedly met an untimely end after going public... :ambivalence:
 
rbcoomer said:
Whilst I accept that, the alternator can only harvest a % of the energy created by the 'burn' of the fuel. If hypothetically, 1kW of energy is held in 1L of water then the most you can ever release when recombining the elements is 1kW. If you use say 800W of that for propulsion, then there's at best 200W to be harvested by the alternator for the electrolysis of the next cycle of water (assuming 100% efficient engine). It will take at least 1 hypothetical kW to electrolyse the next 1L... Whilst I accept that using HHO on a petrol engine can improve combustion of fossil fuels (faster/better and thus more efficient burn), I cannot in anyway reconcile how you could dispense with said fossil fuel altogether as there would be a large energy deficit? The only way to fill the deficit is via an external source to 'fuel' the electrolysis of the water - and that I believe is quite energy hungry to do on any meaningful scale... :)
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Can I correct you there, I assume you refer to electrolysis using the old and outdated Hoffmann method which totally separates the hydrogen and oxygen and bleeds the oxygen off; this method is totally outdated and very power hungry. We are not separating them off to two different gases and letting oxygen go, we are creating H H O which separates the molecules out into a gas form and recombines them, not together but as separate and individual molecules in a gas form which don't recombine as a liquid, hence why it is done on demand as it produces greater volumes of combustible gas for much less power.

You are actually correct in a lot of what you say, incorrect in some, its not about percentages, its about volumes and consumption.

To start the process you can take two options; as you correctly state you can use another fuel such as petrol and use a smaller quantity of HHO and inject or mix it with the petrol in a carburettor and still run a petrol/HHO mix. You can eliminate the petrol element totally and start the process by using a vehicle battery to begin the process and we have this down to about the same time as starting a cold diesel engine waiting for the glow plugs; or you can store some, in either of the last two you run solely on MMO.

Most of the recent developments have focused on improving the production capacity by increasing the voltage to the stack and this has failed miserably, now we have the capability and knowledge to design the stack by knowing the optimum voltage for each plate and the exact number of plates to install (and their surface area) for the available voltage we have and lower voltages are better, DC power is better than AC, and certain materials for the plates last much longer for a durable unit.
Therefore your external deficit is filled by the battery.
 
NOW WE KNOW WHY THERE IS A FUEL SURPLUS ps i wished i had a pound for every one who has checked your profile
 
Now we can see one of the prototypes Mike is currently testing and several of us have a number of better shaped units which will see the drawings sent to Mike for him to manufacture independently and test independently for verification of our figures as he will build them on a test rig similar to this which allows visible results for the camera for everyone to see.

Look at the consumption figures, 1 litre of HHO per minute produced using 12 v @ 20 amps, or we could look at this as 60 litres or 13.2 gallons of HHO produced per hour from this compact unit. Low voltage and not excessive power consumption at 20 amps, increase the amperage and you increase the quantities of HHO and still well within the range of even a low powered alternator. Install two identical units and you produce 120 litres or 26.4 gallons of HHO per hour, so what are your engine consumption figures? as can be clearly seen it is viable for a large number of boats and it has more potential.

If you use gas for cooking or even heating you can convert these appliances for very little to run on HHO and negate the need for bottled gas.

As we can clearly see there is gas on demand so no need to store gas on the boat which has to be safer, gas on demand may not be perfect but its much safer than having bottled gas with its constant connection/disconnection where one little mistake can cause a potentially explosive situation, stop the reaction and open a valve and vent your gas lines and you have no gas on the boat.

Lets look at some of the claims:

Would need days to produce enough gas - you can see it for yourself, you don't.
Assuming I was drunk - sorry, don't drink.
Its gaseous and explosive - of course its explosive but so is petrol and unlike petrol you have no need to store lots of it on your boat leaving a potential bomb, you don't run the risks you do when refuelling from the vapours either.

So RBC time to get serious.
 
Thanks for the links etc - I will have a look later out of curiosity as spent quite a bit of time of this a long while ago. Unfortunately, whilst I do find this (and magnetic energy) fascinating/under utilised, I really don't have either the time or resources to get side tracked with something like this at the moment. I do hope you make headway with your project however and will look forward to seeing the first prototypes. (The 3am comment was meant as tongue-in-cheek btw...):)
 
Assassin said:
As we seemingly have a lot of silly comments from ignorant posters who apparently become experts overnight, one friend has a test rig with visibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmXHhVh_nkY

Mike Hughes does a lot of testing, so see what can be done with this technology where the workings can be seen.
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He posted the vid four years ago, the figures you've used in your calculations must be out of date?

Can you tell me how much HHO is required to run my D6-370? It consumes air at 1270 cu.ft per min at 3000rpm cruise speed.
 
"Two of my own vehicles have been converted to run solely on water and one is a large 4X4 which sinks fuel it is a pleasant change to throw water into it instead of petrol, other projects have included the usual small petrol engines on anything from quad bikes to generators, and recently a couple of outboards on friends tenders. Both went to Portugal recently and got strange looks when one was out of fuel and he was seen filling the tank with sea water using a cheap plastic jug and a few seconds later he started his engine, many of the locals thought something had overheated until he told them he was filling his fuel tank."

A quote from your first post.

To help educate all us ignorant non believers maybe you can show us a video of your outboards running on water. I'm sure that you must have some video of this ground breaking invention?
 
Correct, this video was shot some time ago but it is one of only a few with a fully visible test rig where people can actually see the process as it was set up to be fully visible for public consumption. As for video, I tend not to video them.

I notice LJS is still playing on words and using quotes such as "ground breaking invention" when I also clearly stated it was no such thing as it was merely a combination of all the latest technologies.
 
Can I just add that I make reasonably good videos as well as being able to sell stuff.

I trained as an industrial designer and then an industrial modelmaker so my skill set is quite relevant.

I've got one or two cars kicking around we can use for promotional work ranging from good old work horse V8 powered to more specialist sports cars. Either way if your technology works I'd love to show case it. It's one of those things that you can theorise until you're blue in the face but people need to see it, touch it, smell it, lick it and hear the rumble before they believe it.

I'm sure there's a strong market for water powered vehicles if they work.


Being as I'm half way through watching Breaking Bad at the moment will I need to buy a black rimmed hat :)


Henry :)
 
Assassin said:
Correct, this video was shot some time ago but it is one of only a few with a fully visible test rig where people can actually see the process as it was set up to be fully visible for public consumption. As for video, I tend not to video them.

I notice LJS is still playing on words and using quotes such as "ground breaking invention" when I also clearly stated it was no such thing as it was merely a combination of all the latest technologies.
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This is getting boring, what I and many others would love to see is pics/video of your water powered outboards, but you seem intent on ignoring all those inconvenient requests.

That's me finished posting on this thread unless you provide the proof to back up your claims.
 
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Boring? It's amusing. Delusional tinhats, scam or windup, who knows. The whole idea is like fitting a windturbine to the radar arch, getting up to speed on your diesels and expecting the turbine to take over and power electric motors to keep you going. After all electric motors are now up to 97% efficient and internal combustion 40% at best. A bit of wind to make up the 3% difference and Bob's yer uncle. Forget the inconvenience of water resistance, doesn't exist see. HHO is old news, stuff of school chemistry labs, perfect material for every scam artist and delusional tinkerer to form a symbiotic relationship. Hell, sometimes they are one and the same. So don't expect photos and proof, do expect to see lots of bubbles and the crazed manic eyes of the gold prospector shelling out his last 40k for 2grams of gold dust. And when they tell you about all the poor sods who got killed mysteriously, just as they were about to release the holy grail? Yeah, probably by one of their backing accolytes who just realised his pension pot has just been snaffled. No conspiracy :p
 
BruceK said:
Boring? It's amusing. Delusional tinhats, scam or windup, who knows. The whole idea is like fitting a windturbine to the radar arch, getting up to speed on your diesels and expecting the turbine to take over and power electric motors to keep you going. After all electric motors are now up to 97% efficient and internal combustion 40% at best. A bit of wind to make up the 3% difference and Bob's yer uncle. Forget the inconvenience of water resistance, doesn't exist see. HHO is old news, stuff of school chemistry labs, perfect material for every scam artist and delusional tinkerer to form a symbiotic relationship. Hell, sometimes they are one and the same. So don't expect photos and proof, do expect to see lots of bubbles and the crazed manic eyes of the gold prospector shelling out his last 40k for 2grams of gold dust. And when they tell you about all the poor sods who got killed mysteriously, just as they were about to release the holy grail? Yeah, probably by one of their backing accolytes who just realised his pension pot has just been snaffled. No conspiracy :p
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Ah that's that one put to bed then - now I can go back to my anti-gravity device that's going to revolutionise the aviation sector... ;)
 
rbcoomer said:
Ah that's that one put to bed then - now I can go back to my anti-gravity device that's going to revolutionise the aviation sector... ;)
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Ah yes. Late to market unfortunately. Been around for years. Jerry came up with that one in 44. Foo fighters, The Bell. Bloody aliens nicked the patent and the Yanks and Ruskies been playing catchup ever since. Hitler is the Old Man on the Moon dint you know. Don't you watch the movies?
 
Which bit of it are you having difficulty understanding LJS? if we don't video I have no footage, is that simple enough for you.

When we work on these projects for testing we always have minor issues which always results in releases of gas, therefore no battery powered equipment such as video cameras, mobile phones, laptop/tablets, cordless or other power tools are allowed into what we define as an FLP area, basic health and safety.
 
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