A cavalier attitude to having an emergency kicker engine...

Portofino said:
See my post #28 I have already hinted at that Pete .
Can,t make a specific conclusion with the info thus far .
Need to know the lake too and potentially the hazards of a stranded boat , like is Niagra falls downstream at the end if it :)
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Or is it a 10 acre gravel pit in the Cotswolds .

Different advice from me anyhow .
 
Portofino said:
Is it not a case of the warm in the belly feeling of built in redundancy ?
We ( boaters ) seem to have vertical silos in the thought processes it feels reading some of the reply’s on here .
So it’s ok nobody’s slagging off twin on the fly diesel filtration , carrying umpteen spares inc impeller s , compares flares
All very sensible but when it comes to a spare tiny OB all hells broken loose .

I mean I got my spare head torch out the other day bulb blown , so I had two knackered head torches at once .

My geny impeller shredded , heard the change in note of the sans water ,turned it off .
Had two spare , yup goodie two shoes .Looked identical .1st one would not work , restripped the pump thinking air leak etc no draw , primed it all up with a hose connected at anchor to the shower out .
About 2 frustrating hours later checking every pipe for blockages i fitted the other spare impeller
It worked straight away .

So there —— are two spares are needed as how do you know you have not got a duff spare ?

I see no harm in redundancy planning with this engine example .
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Nor do I.

However your post is the entire point. You had the bits and fixed it.

How often do you get stranded for engine failure you can’t fix. In the op case he is on a lake so how bad can’t it get ! If he wants one buy one. No need for peer validation on here.
 
jrudge said:
Nor do I.

However your post is the entire point. You had the bits and fixed it.

How often do you get stranded for engine failure you can’t fix. In the op case he is on a lake so how bad can’t it get ! If he wants one buy one. No need for peer validation on here.
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Agree ,
It’s a boys toy at the end of the day each to there own .
 
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BruceK said:
I wouldnt go quite that far, but the aircraft vs boat argument with regards to engines has always struck me as odd. Aircraft I am pretty sure are built to a much higher standard, maintained rigorously with accountability right back to source and their engines are not stressed to the same degree as boats nor encumbered with accoutrements such as gearboxes etc etc and everything else you'll find on a marinised engine. I just dont believe you can justifiably put the two in juxtaposition and compare.
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I was going to say it’s because Volvo don’t make airplane engines but apparently they do:ambivalence:
 
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According to transport Canada every powered boat up to 29'6" must come equipped with a One (1) manual propelling
device OR One (1) anchor. So basically they are saying if your engine goes either anchor or paddle home...or in reality on the larger boats just wave your paddle to get assistance. Not surprising since we are dealing with a recreation where anybody can rent a boat even without possessing a boating licence...that's like being able to rent a car with a drivers licence. Totally ridiculous.
 
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Nigelpickin said:
Nope, it’s not like that at all but then there’s no point arguing with someone who is playing Devils Advocate.
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oh come on...are you accusing me of trolling? pun :)
Anyway, look at the guidelines on boating, how many rules, regulations, safety requirements, navigation etc one has to become familiar with to pass the exam. BUT on the flip side anyone can just go rent a boat on any given afternoon? That makes ZERO sense to me.

OMG I think I just got why they call it trolling...it's like in fishing where you just drag the line along trying to bait fish...same with internet trolls lol.
 
Re: Emergency kicker engine Yay or Nay?

OKBoater said:
Okanagan (OK boater)
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Lakes about 84 miles long and I guess a potentially bear problems ashore ?
I don,t know why you have not disclosed the Canada thing earlier .
From the info dripped out thus far I would say staying afloat and mobile ie a 2 nd engine is kinda a good idea for you as long as it works ,but you could if don,t already do it pack the rifle just in case for what ever reason you end up ashore miles from anywhere .
 
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Portofino said:
Lakes about 84 miles long and I guess a potentially bear problems ashore ?
I don,t know why you have not disclosed the Canada thing earlier .
From the info dripped out thus far I would say staying afloat and mobile ie a 2 nd engine is kinda a good idea for you as long as it works ,but you could if don,t already do it pack the rifle just in case for what ever reason you end up ashore miles from anywhere .
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Lake Okanagan is 351 km² long (135sq miles) but that is a puddle in comparison to other lakes in Canada :cool:
Our 50th biggest lake is Lac Saint-Jean at 1,053 square miles.
 
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get a kicker. most people here are trapped in their own world and will offer you advice as if you were also trapped in theirs, its amusing to see sometimes, who can be the first to post the same dross because thats what they read here before, even if it was a completely different scenario.
 
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BruceK said:
get a kicker. most people here are trapped in their own world and will offer you advice as if you were also trapped in theirs, its amusing to see sometimes, who can be the first to post the same dross because thats what they read here before, even if it was a completely different scenario.
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Mmm... As if the OP would have said that he's planning to cross Lake Michigan with his 16 footer. :confused:
I suppose you never drove around Lake Okanagan, otherwise you would know that you can never be at more than 1Nm or so from land - if not much less, in most of its length.
And fwiw, most of its coasts are very far from being completely wild.
If your "get a kicker" conclusion is based on the OP cruising area, it actually sounds much more like a defense of your initial position no matter what.

Mind, I'm not saying the opposite, i.e. that a kicker is completely useless - also because, even if I've been there, I'm very far from pretending to know the local cruising risks (if any).
But as I said previously, claiming that a wing engine is a must is as much of a sweeping generalization as it is to claim that it's totally useless.
The OP already made it clear that he feels safer with a kicker, so be it. What else is there to debate?
The fact that I wouldn't want one is totally irrelevant, and doesn't make me (or anyone else sharing my view) "trapped in my own world", anyway. :encouragement:

PS: quote from the OP: "When I look around the lake I see very few boats with kickers".
Since I suppose he's talking of his own lake, I can't think of a better example of people sharing my view but not because trapped in a different world... :D
 
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Nigelpickin said:
:)
For the record, absolutely not! A little Cliff Clavin - but not a troll ;)
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I believe the term used for this op's approach is a Sea Lion not a troll,. A sea lion apparently opens up with a statement and then politely pursues it politely in every detail with every poster until someone disagrees with them and they then turn on that individual and bite them. Quite an appropriate term for this forum, we do have a few sea lions in here. We once had the king of sea lions called Happy1, then came Gludy. We might have a new contender. I'll start inflating the beach ball, if someone can fetch a bucket of fish!
 
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