Graham376
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Good find. On a Government financial level the EU member states lose wth the loss of tourist income while the UK gains. This will be a considerable loss for EU The UK accepts EU tourists for 180 days, while the EU limits itself to accepting UK tourists for only 90 days. In addition UK is boosting local tourism. The EU are becoming marksmen at shootong themselves in the foot.
I think the EU offered the UK 180 days and the UK refused it in favour of the 90 in 180. Correct me if I'm wrong please. But you are correct in that UK gave the EU 180 days in 360. The EU were happy to reciprocate the 180 but UK refused because of other caveats I believe.Good find. On a Government financial level the EU member states lose wth the loss of tourist income while the UK gains. This will be a considerable loss for EU The UK accepts EU tourists for 180 days, while the EU limits itself to accepting UK tourists for only 90 days. In addition UK is boosting local tourism. The EU are becoming marksmen at shootong themselves in the foot.
These are EU rules which they also impose on all 3rd countries. The meagre scraps have to be shared with 27 other member states. Of course it would be better if the EU grew up and allowed 180 continuous summer days or at least 90 days per member state. UK gets 180 and furthermore does not have to share the alloted time with any other country..
An added advantage for the UK is to focus patriotism while directing antagonism against the evil gulag.
Go Boris go. Gives me a good reason to move my cruising grounds to the Caribbean. I certainly dont' expect everyone to agree. YMMV.
Yes, “Go Boris go”. Please, please go.Good find. On a Government financial level the EU member states lose wth the loss of tourist income while the UK gains. This will be a considerable loss for EU The UK accepts EU tourists for 180 days, while the EU limits itself to accepting UK tourists for only 90 days. In addition UK is boosting local tourism. The EU are becoming marksmen at shootong themselves in the foot.
These are EU rules which they also impose on all 3rd countries. The meagre scraps have to be shared with 27 other member states. Of course it would be better if the EU grew up and allowed 180 continuous summer days or at least 90 days per member state. UK gets 180 and furthermore does not have to share the alloted time with any other country..
An added advantage for the UK is to focus patriotism while directing antagonism against the evil gulag.
Go Boris go. Gives me a good reason to move my cruising grounds to the Caribbean. I certainly dont' expect everyone to agree. YMMV.
Can you tell us all what proportion of UK tourists spent more than 28 days in the Schengen area? I don't see any the EU losing any € anytime soon.Good find. On a Government financial level the EU member states lose wth the loss of tourist income while the UK gains. This will be a considerable loss for EU The UK accepts EU tourists for 180 days, while the EU limits itself to accepting UK tourists for only 90 days. In addition UK is boosting local tourism. The EU are becoming marksmen at shootong themselves in the foot.
These are EU rules which they also impose on all 3rd countries. The meagre scraps have to be shared with 27 other member states. Of course it would be better if the EU grew up and allowed 180 continuous summer days or at least 90 days per member state. UK gets 180 and furthermore does not have to share the alloted time with any other country..
An added advantage for the UK is to focus patriotism while directing antagonism against the evil gulag.
Go Boris go. Gives me a good reason to move my cruising grounds to the Caribbean. I certainly dont' expect everyone to agree. YMMV.
Can you tell us all what proportion of UK tourists spent more than 28 days in the Schengen area? I don't see any the EU losing any € anytime soon.
Prior to retirement I spent about 25, post retirement I can spend 180 without a visa. To visit the USofA I need a visitors visa, Canada an eTA.
I agree, all it needs is one country to break ranks, however I think the rules for Schengen mean uniform acceptance of common rules,I suspect the numbers you seek are hard, may be impossible, to obtain but from personal observation, a large number of motor home swallows winter in Portugal. Lagos is in the process of a large extension and up grading it’s motor home facilities, in the hope to attract more (winter) income. A large proportion of these swallows are from the UK.
There is a persistent rumour that Portugal is considering going unilateral and providing a 6 month visa and this could it make a lot of economic sense.
Sorry, as it is just a rumour, no link.?
Carolyne Dinenage - DCMS Minister said:These proposals would have enshrined permanent visa-free short stays for all EU citizens... and that just simply is not compatible with our manifesto commitment to take back control of our borders.
Schengen Treaty only covers short stay visas.
Longer stay visas are already National concerns and are already available in some states. However the terms and conditions are different in each state.
As for the 180 day visa-free travel to Schengen, the EU did offer it, if the UK reciprocated:
Exactly. The UK having sole control of its own borders can unilaterally give 90 or 180 days to whomever she wants. The EU would have diffuculty justifying giving 180 days to a specific 3rd country while holding other countries to 90. I believe it would need agreement from all 27 members. Frankly I do not know the answer, but to say that the UK has "ordered" and prevented the EU from giving 180 days to UK citizens beggers belief.I am a bit confused, whilst EU citizens can visit the UK for 180 days, British travellers can only spend 90 days in the EU? Regarding reciprocity, how is this controlling access to the UK?
I would have thought this was the exact opposite!
As said before, bi-lateral agreements could be the answer.Exactly. The UK having sole control of its own borders can unilaterally give 90 or 180 days to whomever she wants. The EU would have diffuculty justifying giving 180 days to a specific 3rd country while holding other countries to 90. I believe it would need agreement from all 27 members. Frankly I do not know the answer, but to say that the UK has "ordered" and prevented the EU from giving 180 days to UK citizens beggers belief.
I strongly suspected it would be a challenge to get the numbers.I suspect the numbers you seek are hard, may be impossible, to obtain but from personal observation, a large number of motor home swallows winter in Portugal. Lagos is in the process of building a large extension and up grading it’s motor home facilities, in the hope to attract more (winter) income. A large proportion of these swallows are from the UK.
There is a persistent rumour that Portugal is considering going unilateral and providing a 6 month visa and this could make a lot of economic sense.
Sorry, as it is just a rumour, no link.?
I strongly suspected it would be a challenge to get the numbers.
In my travels through the Schengen area the UK emigrants were very low in number and were not the biggest spenders, or perhaps I missed the places where you get 'Bogner in the sun', the Scandinavians, Germans and Spanish were there in greater numbers. Best add our eastern European friends but they are not be part of Schengen.
Basically, the UK spend is not big.
I am a bit confused, whilst EU citizens can visit the UK for 180 days, British travellers can only spend 90 days in the EU? Regarding reciprocity, how is this controlling access to the UK?
I would have thought this was the exact opposite!
As said before, bi-lateral agreements could be the answer.
The first country that enters into a bi-lat with the UK stands to make a bomb over the other tourist destinations.
Post Covid many will have adopted the custom of working from home so what is to stop them working from their mobile home in a better climate during the winter months - already seeing some evidence of this.
I believe that this has been discussed several times here in the past.Exactly. The UK having sole control of its own borders can unilaterally give 90 or 180 days to whomever she wants. The EU would have diffuculty justifying giving 180 days to a specific 3rd country while holding other countries to 90. I believe it would need agreement from all 27 members. Frankly I do not know the answer, but to say that the UK has "ordered" and prevented the EU from giving 180 days to UK citizens beggers belief.