50ft HT Sports Cruisers

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none of them had any structural but also osmosis problems whatsoever

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Sounds like a case of "excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta"...

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no one mentioned but I said it because that is what the marina talk of Azimut is about, never heard any structural problem with them as yet
I also go on and say that most surveyors I talk claim that AZ 54 and 58 Model produced from 1994 till 2002 is among the best produduced European boat of its period as construction strenght and standard is concerned
 
Yeah ok, I made my comment with half tongue in cheek - sort of.
I'm sure you're aware that on some of their earlier and smaller boats, unfortunately osmosis wasn't just a marina talk.
But I agree, from early nineties onward they did make big improvements, and even if in terms of brand image they're probably not (yet) up to Ferretti standing, in practice their build quality is very close, or even better in many respects.
 
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Good advice, jfm. Having a lower saloon on an HT sports cruiser is as nonsensical as having a lower saloon on a flybridge boat.

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Not quite. A lower saloon is generally right next to the galley so handy for breakfast/quick snacks without carrying everything upstairs. It's also an ideal "study" area for laptop use.

I do agree though that the majority of saloon time will be upstairs.
 
Yup, agreed, we're sort of saying same thing. The downstairs saloon is a brief pit stop, but the main living room/entertianing space/lounging around space will always be upstairs. Downstairs is Caffe Nero, upstairs is The Ivy. Hence, upstairs needs to be a fab sitting room (as you know, cos you have ordered just that!)
 
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Well Mick if you like the P54, don't let one prat of a dealer put you off, there are other P dealers in the UK.

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Hi Noel.

Of course - there is no shortage of choice.

If it turns out that we stay with a flybridge layout then we will have another look at the P54 and see what's available at the time /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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And if you dont want to go any bigger than SV2 there's the new P50 - couldnt believe that it was only 50ft.
I'm sure it will "eat into" the P54s sales.

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That's interesting Mike - thank you.

We looked at the P57 and felt that she didn't feel as big as the 54 in the mastersuite. Saloon plenty big enough for us. If I was to be critical I would say that the showers are smaller than SV2 and the flybridge arrangement is not as good.

Haven't seen the P50 - I will have a look at SIBS if I haven't placed an order by then.
 
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My only thoughts on those boats (and it's just personal opinion) are that the downstairs saloons are claustrophobic, and dark, you never sit in them, and they just become just a lobby. When lounging around you will ALWAYS sit in the deck saloon. So i'd get one with a tiny/non existent lower saloon and big/more cabins. And a fab deck saloon that feels like it's "inside" ie proper sofas and furniture not white vinyl and GRP. Many of the med designs recognise this - lots of big Leopards and Mangustas are built with no lower saloon at all, just cabins and galley on the lower deck. And I reckon you need to be very careful to get the right size, after the sapce you have in the p50. I think you should get the biggest one you can so the deck saloon is fab - you might be a touch undersized at 50 feet; 55 would be better? You dont want to end up with a too-small deck saloon and a small downstairs dark saloon. The windscreen is usually further aft on a s/cruiser than on a f/b boat for styling reasons so a 50 footer will have a smaller saloon than your p50.


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Yes, agreed.

As I mentioned above, we want saloon up, sliding doors, galley up or down, cockpit size not that important for us.

Predator 52 and Absolute 52 fit the bill.

So far I haven't found anything else around 50 to 55ft.
 
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SV, have you looked at the Prinz 54? Even if you don't like the brand or build, its an interesting layout to compare against others. I think the galley down option with dinette and saloon at deck level is best for northern waters.


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I am sure they are a fine boat but I don't like the look at all.

Bit of an un-known as well.
 
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What about a Windy 52 Xanthos, that seems to stack up well against the competition?


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Yip, nice boat but the saloon is down below and where are the all important sliding doors /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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I agree that going from a 50ft FB to a 52ft HT is probably a step down in overall accomodation terms especially as you lose the flybridge space as well


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I agree that is the case with most HT SC's but (unless I'm mistaken) the Pred52 saloon is the same size as the Man52.

I am not that concerned about losing the fly as it is used mainly for berthing. Sure it's fab helming from up there when the weather is good - there's the problem right there in our climate.

Still, it is really nice to have when maonouvering in a tight spot like Douglas Marina.
 
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Not quite. A lower saloon is generally right next to the galley so handy for breakfast/quick snacks without carrying everything upstairs. It's also an ideal "study" area for laptop use

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Just like a Broom /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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I agree that is the case with most HT SC's but (unless I'm mistaken) the Pred52 saloon is the same size as the Man52.

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That's correct /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Dyflin,
Having looked at the Windy again, I see that it does have the sliding doors /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

More cockpit under the hardtop than saloon though.
 
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I agree that is the case with most HT SC's but (unless I'm mistaken) the Pred52 saloon is the same size as the Man52.

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That's correct /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Thank's Magnum.

BTW, how long does it take to get out on the open sea from SS Poole?
 
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BTW, how long does it take to get out on the open sea from SS Poole?

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Seemed like about 10 minutes, but was probably a bit more. Maybe 15 or so. You going for a seatrial?
 
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Looks pretty balanced to me /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Best of both worlds! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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BTW, how long does it take to get out on the open sea from SS Poole?

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Seemed like about 10 minutes, but was probably a bit more. Maybe 15 or so. You going for a seatrial?

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Could be going on two.

Pred52 out of Poole and ABS52 out of Hamble Point.
 
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Looks pretty balanced to me /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Best of both worlds! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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That confirms it - more cockpit than saloon /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Nice try though - thanks /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
Windys are beuatifully made and screwed together (though that is reflected in price) but that interior is a bit last century. Curved sofa looks like an old bus seat. Also I think a saloon on a patio-door HT needs to feel more "inside", and so should have a different floor surface from the cockpit's. Eg an interior style wooden floor with no black sikaflex caulking - which afaik is what Magnum has ordered. Just imho
 
Wood in the saloon - tut tut, it must be carpet for this time of year and Eberspacher running full blast /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Nice avatar btw /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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