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Flippinek. Also very unfortunate they are called "Chandler" i suppose - kidnapers must think they are loaded. Ahem, sorry, very bad taste. I hope it ends well for them.
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FullCircle
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Flippinek indeed.
Given that our Govt is unlikely to shell out, and they dont have the dosh, what then?
Woodlouse
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What these Pirates seem to do when asking for ransoms is start off very large, then allow themselves to be haggled down. I wouldn't be surprised that if a ransom is payed it wouldn't even be a quarter of the original demand. The pirates aren't stupid, soon enough they're going to realise that this couple haven't got the money to pay a large ransom so they'll get what they can for them and send them on their way.
The couple involved won't be harmed because as soon as the pirates start killing their hostages then people will stop paying their ransom demands.
The couple involved won't be harmed because as soon as the pirates start killing their hostages then people will stop paying their ransom demands.
ParaHandy
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I'd have left them in the boat and whipped aff the self steering ... last pic I saw had the boat just off Somali coast sailing happily along with stay and main and thats .. erm .. 500+m from Seychelles? mind, their ensign wus attached better than on some boats ...
Koeketiene
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In that part of the world you haggle.
Last time a ransom was paid for yotties (Italian if memory serves) they paid $700K for 4 people.
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Why heck, thats only $350k then for these two... so thats around £250k or so.
We could probably raise that with a concerted whip round of this place.
StephenSails
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A couple of options...
Give them fake money?
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Use some of the captured pirates as a bargaining tool, we can always round the runts up later.
Organise some sort of fund raising.
Give them fake money?
Special Boat Service
Use some of the captured pirates as a bargaining tool, we can always round the runts up later.
Organise some sort of fund raising.
jimi
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I'd give them what they are asking for .. once the hostages are safe.
Got to be international acton of some sort, surely if they could manage it 300 hundred years ago, they can manage it now
Got to be international acton of some sort, surely if they could manage it 300 hundred years ago, they can manage it now
mjcp
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You forget that 300 years ago, there were 3 1/2 countries that ran the rest of the world...
(and the majority of that world was pink in the atlas ;-) ) and that the pirates were often the Navys of the other 2 1/2 countries!
They are claiming to be voluntary cost guard, claiming a fine for trespassers. So where do you pay your transit fee? Maybe this is how to sort out the region: Appeal to their pockets and get them to self regulate via a transit fee.
mjcp
PS what's the plural of Navy.... navys or navies?
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LONG_KEELER
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I would have thought that most yotties would accept that self sufficiency also included this kind of situation along with losing their lives/boats.
They are not aid workers or engaged in commerce. But surely holidaymakers taking a known risk.
I think a whip round of the boating people would be more appropriate.
They are not aid workers or engaged in commerce. But surely holidaymakers taking a known risk.
I think a whip round of the boating people would be more appropriate.
StephenSails
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I agree, a whip round for the SBS would be a good idea!!! good chaps!
But seriously if we all chipped in for a fellow sailor could we make a difference? If this is a long and protracted situation I think we could at least help top-up the fund, I do not agree with giving these skinny ****s money but surely leaving two members of our community to fester is no better in the short-term!
I should state that completly destroying these little F-witts would be my prefference, but from what I understand the pirate rationale is way off and the couple involved sound like really decent folk.
Perhaps there is something greater here, maybe a yachtsmans emergency committee, whereby we as a collective just throw in a few quid a year to aid the few sailors that do end up in the strife? I am sure this could be worked on. I would say that the fund can only be touched in situations like this, just a thought?
Do not eat me for breakfast!
But seriously if we all chipped in for a fellow sailor could we make a difference? If this is a long and protracted situation I think we could at least help top-up the fund, I do not agree with giving these skinny ****s money but surely leaving two members of our community to fester is no better in the short-term!
I should state that completly destroying these little F-witts would be my prefference, but from what I understand the pirate rationale is way off and the couple involved sound like really decent folk.
Perhaps there is something greater here, maybe a yachtsmans emergency committee, whereby we as a collective just throw in a few quid a year to aid the few sailors that do end up in the strife? I am sure this could be worked on. I would say that the fund can only be touched in situations like this, just a thought?
Do not eat me for breakfast!
flaming
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So how about £100 on the average insurance policy, in return the insurance companies pay ransoms where necessary? If they let it be known that they paid £100k per person the pirates probably wouldn't even bother haggling.
StephenSails
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I wouldn't even go down that route I don't think, this would be a fund for things like pulling these guys out, deep ocean rescues where the RNLI cannot assist, explorations and offshore racing etc.
The situation criteria would need to be where one of our own was seriously at risk and there would be no other external help available: Tony Bullimore may need to top-up his allowance! mwah
Perhaps some of the RNLI monster wealth should be used with something like this?
Just thoughts?
The situation criteria would need to be where one of our own was seriously at risk and there would be no other external help available: Tony Bullimore may need to top-up his allowance! mwah
Perhaps some of the RNLI monster wealth should be used with something like this?
Just thoughts?
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timbartlett
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I presume that this unfortunate couple carry documents whose front page says something like "Her Brittanic Majesty's s Secretary of State requests and requires in the name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely and without let or hindrance.", and that her majesty's secretaries of state have happily collected money from them for many years.
Unless I'm radically wrong, I would suggest that her britannic majesty's secretaries of state ought to spend some of their (and our) taxes on blowing the kidnappers and all of their kind out of existence, rather than squandering their (and our) taxes on picking fights with other countries.
Pay off one lot of pirates, and the others will think it's worthwhile. Hang draw and quarter those that survive a 4.5" shell that suddenly arrives from over the horizon, and they might decide that it's really not worth the risk.
PS I think you'll find that most of the RNLI's "monster wealth" is tied up in capital. Do you really think they ought to sell off a few lifeboats, or sell off a lifeboat station or two for conversion into holiday flats? If so, which ones?
Unless I'm radically wrong, I would suggest that her britannic majesty's secretaries of state ought to spend some of their (and our) taxes on blowing the kidnappers and all of their kind out of existence, rather than squandering their (and our) taxes on picking fights with other countries.
Pay off one lot of pirates, and the others will think it's worthwhile. Hang draw and quarter those that survive a 4.5" shell that suddenly arrives from over the horizon, and they might decide that it's really not worth the risk.
PS I think you'll find that most of the RNLI's "monster wealth" is tied up in capital. Do you really think they ought to sell off a few lifeboats, or sell off a lifeboat station or two for conversion into holiday flats? If so, which ones?
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BurnitBlue
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Post deleted by BlueTwo. It was a bit contraversial and I will not be around to fight my corner. Sorry.
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Sailfree
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Great idea - thanks for ensuring (insuring) a regular source of income how can I enter this industry called piracy before some bl@@dy government nationalises it!
The only solution is to get someone with balls in charge (come back Maggie!) and set an exclusion zone of the complete Indian Ocean from 50mls offshore and anyone found in a rib with guns be executed. Machine gun them in the ocean and sink them.
Koeketiene
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Currently, according to the news agency circuits, the Somali's who are holding the Chandlers are now looking at £100,000 ransom demand.
Originally, they were moved on and about 26th October from their yacht to a ship and then ashore south of Haradeere then back on board a ship but now, the pirates are bickering about how much they are worth and the current reports are that Chandlers have now been moved 'far inland' by another group of Somali's.
Originally, they were moved on and about 26th October from their yacht to a ship and then ashore south of Haradeere then back on board a ship but now, the pirates are bickering about how much they are worth and the current reports are that Chandlers have now been moved 'far inland' by another group of Somali's.
mlthomas
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Yes, I wondered why HM's finest aren't out there extracting them (as it were).
Spyro
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If people wanted to insure themselves against piracy then that would be ok with me but to expect everyone to pay for the very few who end up in that situation is not on.
I like to think I'm paying insurance for any risks that might happen to me, my crew, my boat or any third party. Until there are Pirates with AK47s sailing the Clyde I'll keep my £100.