35 foot boat hitting 27 knots...

[doris]

Have you seen the c&c 30? Looks like a smaller, cheaper MC38. And Mark Mills designed...

That's more or less what they tried 15 years ago with the Whitbread 30s, which was taken over by Mount Gay but still couldn't get critical mass despite lots of international interest. They became almost worthless, the builder of ours lost an eyewatering amount when they bailed out.

Remember Sticky Fingers, Brightwork, Wildwood?

 

[flaming]

That's more or less what they tried 15 years ago with the Whitbread 30s, which was taken over by Mount Gay but still couldn't get critical mass despite lots of international interest. They became almost worthless, the builder of ours lost an eyewatering amount when they bailed out.

Remember Sticky Fingers, Brightwork, Wildwood?

Yeah, the problem is there's never ever just one "next big OD" at a time. Currently both the C&C30 and Farr280 are vying for attention. With, it has to be said, the usual utterly abysmal marketing job typical of the industry. Likely result...? Neither sells more than one or two, and we all carry on sailing the same heavy cruiser racers. It's just depressing.

 

[Roberto]

Isn't the video is conveniently cut/edited when they round the mark and begin to beat for hours and hours to get back to where they started

 

[Daydream believer]

Surely if one talks about one designs one should include the Figaro 2. Well proven & pretty fast with it as well as being very tough. Designed to go fast & take wipeouts etc
Not sure how many built but quite a few I imagine

I did not like the way the sail in that video was well out & the leech of the main seemed to be well in front of the mast. This in itself leads to handling problems

 

[mjcoon]

It's the future, if you like it wet.

Warm and wet, anyway...

Mike.

 

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Young me: "You can't catch me in this!"
Mature me: "You won't catch me in that!"

 

[sailor211]

Isn't the video is conveniently cut/edited when they round the mark and begin to beat for hours and hours to get back to where they started

I was talking to a Frenchman who had a fast tri. I suggested it would be nice to go further in a day . At 20 kts it would be a short trip to the Scillies. He said no you cannot do 12 hours at that speed being cold and wet. So same distance but just faster wetter and colder

 

[Triassic]

This is true but if you can slow it down to around 12-15 knots it's dry, smooth and still twice as fast as a mono of similar size..... Driving/riding/sailing anything at the peak of it's performance is always going to be hard work compared to backing it off a bit and keeping it in it's comfort zone.

 

[Roberto]

I was talking to a Frenchman who had a fast tri. I suggested it would be nice to go further in a day . At 20 kts it would be a short trip to the Scillies. He said no you cannot do 12 hours at that speed being cold and wet. So same distance but just faster wetter and colder

We do have here a number of racing boats that for PR reasons make movies, etc, it's all part of the game.
When a Figaro wants to make a good footage with the helicopter, he basically waits for a strong thing (front, whatever) to come through, then they leave for a half a day sail waving their hands on the pulpit, raising the spinnaker, broaching, fantastic planing at 20+ knots, etc etc.
They then stop somewhere and wait until everything subsides before going back to their home port.
Now, that must be very, very exciting if someone plans to go Scillies-Coruna in one shot with a fresh NW-NNW, but for the average home-bound sailor during its weekend sail?

Having said that, let me onboard for that 40nm stretch downwind

 

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I was talking to a Frenchman who had a fast tri. I suggested it would be nice to go further in a day . At 20 kts it would be a short trip to the Scillies. He said no you cannot do 12 hours at that speed being cold and wet. So same distance but just faster wetter and colder

The tri that one last year's Round Britain and Ireland race averaged more than 23 knots for just over three days. They looked pretty knackered when they got back to Cowes.

 

[anthemsailing]

I've just bought Hot Doris - or Wildwood as she will be, changing back to the original name.

I went aboard her briefly years ago, probably around 2000, when I worked at Fox's where she was built, never thought I would own her one day... It's easy to understand how Will (her builder) lost so much money, everything about her is bespoke and expensive.

It's a real shame these boats didn't catch on, and are unlikely to now have a renaissance due to IRC's inherent dislike of anything light displacement, as a well designed and built one really is a thing to behold. For fast cruising though, in my view, there's nothing better.

 

[RalphyM]

A real shame those W30 never took off. The best picture was Sticky Fingers in the Round Britain smoking downwind on the cover of Yachting World I think. For the price though, they were never going to be a big hit.



Incidentally, IRC is not inherently against light displacement. It's just that under a certain size, it isn't favoured. The cross over seems to be around 40 foot but this has come down signifcantly in the last few years. I think it relates to ratio of crew weight to displacement.

 

[anthemsailing]

That's a great shot of Sticky Fingers - although with 4POB, are you sure it was in the RBI race?

Agree with your comments on IRC, perhaps my previous post was a little brief and didn't elaborate enough. Some of the more modern and often larger IRC boats do manage to be very light and still very competitive - but I've always thought it a shame that many of the older, more exciting designs will never be able to sail to their numbers. I did a lot of racing a few years back on Alice's Mirror, the 32ft water ballasted one-off which was also fairly successful in the RBI when she was new. Unless it was blowing F6 plus, and you got a good long broad reach, it just wasn't within the realms of possibility to get anywhere near the competiton on handicap round the cans. But then no-one yet has managed to devise a rating rule which doesn't have a bias somewhere...

 

[RalphyM]

Not 100% but she has got the bow stickers on!

Alice's mirror, wasn't that an Adrian Thompson design? Tend to agree with you that it is a shame that smaller light boats don't do well under IRC (I may be biased owning a small light boat ).

 

[anthemsailing]

Yes, she is an Adrian Thompson design, one of his first I think. Lots of fun. She was for sale recently for what seemed like quite an excessively high figure, it seems she did eventually sell after sitting on the market for a long time. I would be very curious to know what she sold for.