oxman
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Does anyone know where I can still buy a new 2 stroke of about 4 - 5 Hp?
2 stroke outboard
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m1taylor
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You could try :
http://www.extrememarine.co.uk/
No connection - but they seemed to have a new Tohatsu 5HP two stroke advertised on Boats and Outboards.
http://www.extrememarine.co.uk/
No connection - but they seemed to have a new Tohatsu 5HP two stroke advertised on Boats and Outboards.
Rabbie
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FlorealIII
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Two stroke engines are prohibited since more than a year in the EU .
No Regrets
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Ebay?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-5-CSS-Two-2...7QQcmdZViewItem
C'mon, learn to use Google FFS.... /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-5-CSS-Two-2...7QQcmdZViewItem
C'mon, learn to use Google FFS.... /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
VicS
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Two stroke engines are prohibited since more than a year in the EU
[/ QUOTE ] But you can continue to use existing ones and IIRC dealers are permitted to sell the ones they had in stock when the restriction came into force. Stocks must be running low by now!
Two stroke engines are prohibited since more than a year in the EU
[/ QUOTE ] But you can continue to use existing ones and IIRC dealers are permitted to sell the ones they had in stock when the restriction came into force. Stocks must be running low by now!
Rabbie
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Two stroke engines are prohibited since more than a year in the EU .
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I know that, but they are still for sale - re my info.Sigh!
Two stroke engines are prohibited since more than a year in the EU .
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I know that, but they are still for sale - re my info.Sigh!
photodog
Lord High Commander of Upper Broughton and Gunthor
I think Mount Batten Boat house in Plymouth still have some Mercury's in......
oxman
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Thanks for all your help all!
Yep 2 strokes are like rocking horse poo at the moment - but still legal - (cant believe it causes any more pollution than the average bunker barge flushing its decks!!)
Any way - cheers No Regrets - I DID use Google and got loads of useless links to boats and outboards - all the companies still showing stock have actually sold out ! (your ebay link was not one of the googled links!)
Yep 2 strokes are like rocking horse poo at the moment - but still legal - (cant believe it causes any more pollution than the average bunker barge flushing its decks!!)
Any way - cheers No Regrets - I DID use Google and got loads of useless links to boats and outboards - all the companies still showing stock have actually sold out ! (your ebay link was not one of the googled links!)
No Regrets
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Was it any use? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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speak to Fairweather Marine in Fareham; I believe that they still have some stock of 2 stroke engines.
sailorman
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Seamark Nunn have 2nd hand trade-in motors
trouville
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I have two seagulls perhaps i should buy a new one before they sell out!Just to have a new model with FNR
Where should i look?The EEC ruins everything they are so detatched from reality The Idiot sweeds got tar banned then said they were wrong.To late banned
The EEC is an inflexable juganaught
Where can i find a new seagull FNR??
Where should i look?The EEC ruins everything they are so detatched from reality The Idiot sweeds got tar banned then said they were wrong.To late banned
The EEC is an inflexable juganaught
Where can i find a new seagull FNR??
m1taylor
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Now you're just trying to get someone to take you seriously! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
VicS
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Where can i find a new seagull FNR
[/ QUOTE ] These things turn up now and then. Last October a brand new 40+, still crated as it had left the factory 40 years previously was for sale on Ebay. Sadly not with gears ..that would be a rare find especially as I think the best the 40+ ever had was a clutch, no reverse gear.
It may not have been a serious question but you got a semi-serious answer!
The link to it on ebay still seems to work:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...rksid=p3907.m32
Where can i find a new seagull FNR
[/ QUOTE ] These things turn up now and then. Last October a brand new 40+, still crated as it had left the factory 40 years previously was for sale on Ebay. Sadly not with gears ..that would be a rare find especially as I think the best the 40+ ever had was a clutch, no reverse gear.
It may not have been a serious question but you got a semi-serious answer!
The link to it on ebay still seems to work:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...rksid=p3907.m32
2nd_apprentice
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I was under the impression that the new E-Tec 2 strokes met EU regulations? Not sure if I wanted one though, seemed hardly an advantage over the 4-strokes! Heavy, complicated and expensive.
VicS
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E-Tec 2 strokes
[/ QUOTE ] I have not been able to check for sure but I think you may find that these are largeish engines with a fuel injection system and/or an oil injection system. Maybe a development of the VRO system used by some Evinrudes.
I dont think you will find that any small engines, with carburetors and using premixed fuel will be allowed. Maybe in time what ever allows these larger engines will become a feature of smaller ones.
I found this:
<span style="color:green"> There has been, and still is a lot of serious misinformation concerning the EU 2006 emission regulations. Firstly, these are the ONLY regulations that affect recreational outboards sold in the UK and the rest of the EU. Regarding NEW outboard motors, only new technology (Direct Injection) spark ignition two stroke (for example, the Evinrude E-TEC range), spark ignition four stroke and compression ignition engines meet the new standards and are the only outboards which may be manufactured within, or imported into the EU now. Spark ignition means all engines powered by petrol / gas, whilst compression ignition means engines powered by diesel. HOWEVER, contrary to popular belief, ALL outboard motors in use prior to the implementation of the new standard CAN continue to be used until they fall apart! The new directive does NOT BAN USE of conventional 2-STROKES. Not only that, but ALL UNSOLD non-compliant 2-stroke outboards which were already in the EU before 1st January 2007 (for non-compliant four strokes, the date was one year before) may still be BOUGHT, SOLD AND USED. Second-hand outboards will still be able to be sold in the normal manner. It has always been possible that an authority in charge of a particular area may impose their own local regulations. This applies primarily on inland waterways, and is most common on reservoirs, which often ban all engines except electric. So to reiterate, EVERY outboard motor in the EU prior to the implementation of the new standard CAN be bought, sold and used under the EU 2006 emissions directive. e.&.o.e. ©
EU 2006 Standard EU 2006 Emissions Standards Label represents conformity to the EU emissions standards proposed by the Commission of the European Communities on 12th October 2000. IT IS THE ONLY EMISSION STANDARD THAT AFFECTS UK AND EU ENGINES. All other emission standards are irrelevant for the UK and the rest of the EU (for example EPA 2006, CARB 2004 /2008). The EU2006 standards will only affect the SUPPLY of NEW outboards for ‘RECREATIONAL’ use. By ‘recreational’, the regulators exclude engines for commercial registered vessels and racing engines. This text only is only with regard to recreational engines. ALL engines sold PRIOR to the full implementation of the standards on the dates shown below, may continue to be used. Effectively, after 31st December 2006, any NEW spark ignition two stroke outboard motor which does not meet the EU 2006 standards, (basically conventional carburettor / E.F.I. 2-strokes) will cease to be imported / manufactured into the EU. However, any engines held in stock by EU importers or dealers, which have been tax paid, are exempt, in the same way as though they had been sold prior to the regulations. Equally, only spark ignition four stroke and compression ignition (diesel) outboards, which meet the regulations, may be sold from 31st December 2005, with the same exemption about stock units. It should be noted that the spark ignition four stroke and compression ignition engines are required to meet the regulations a year earlier than spark ignition 2-strokes. (For more details see "Emissions: The Truth") Unlike the EPA and CARB standards, the EU 2006 standard covers three constituents of exhaust emissions, and noise levels. The exhaust emissions included are nitrous oxide and hydrocarbons (as included in EPA & CARB standards) plus carbon monoxide. Consequently the EU 2006 standard is the most difficult to attain compared with EPA and CARB. Unlike the US standards that allow a percentage of ‘dirty’ engines to be sold, the EU 2006 standard will affect EVERY NEW engine sold in the EU. The EU 2006 standard is also the only standard that also covers noise levels for outboards. It should be noted that the EU2006 standard also affects inboard engines in a similar manner to outboards. e.&.o.e. ©
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E-Tec 2 strokes
[/ QUOTE ] I have not been able to check for sure but I think you may find that these are largeish engines with a fuel injection system and/or an oil injection system. Maybe a development of the VRO system used by some Evinrudes.
I dont think you will find that any small engines, with carburetors and using premixed fuel will be allowed. Maybe in time what ever allows these larger engines will become a feature of smaller ones.
I found this:
<span style="color:green"> There has been, and still is a lot of serious misinformation concerning the EU 2006 emission regulations. Firstly, these are the ONLY regulations that affect recreational outboards sold in the UK and the rest of the EU. Regarding NEW outboard motors, only new technology (Direct Injection) spark ignition two stroke (for example, the Evinrude E-TEC range), spark ignition four stroke and compression ignition engines meet the new standards and are the only outboards which may be manufactured within, or imported into the EU now. Spark ignition means all engines powered by petrol / gas, whilst compression ignition means engines powered by diesel. HOWEVER, contrary to popular belief, ALL outboard motors in use prior to the implementation of the new standard CAN continue to be used until they fall apart! The new directive does NOT BAN USE of conventional 2-STROKES. Not only that, but ALL UNSOLD non-compliant 2-stroke outboards which were already in the EU before 1st January 2007 (for non-compliant four strokes, the date was one year before) may still be BOUGHT, SOLD AND USED. Second-hand outboards will still be able to be sold in the normal manner. It has always been possible that an authority in charge of a particular area may impose their own local regulations. This applies primarily on inland waterways, and is most common on reservoirs, which often ban all engines except electric. So to reiterate, EVERY outboard motor in the EU prior to the implementation of the new standard CAN be bought, sold and used under the EU 2006 emissions directive. e.&.o.e. ©
EU 2006 Standard EU 2006 Emissions Standards Label represents conformity to the EU emissions standards proposed by the Commission of the European Communities on 12th October 2000. IT IS THE ONLY EMISSION STANDARD THAT AFFECTS UK AND EU ENGINES. All other emission standards are irrelevant for the UK and the rest of the EU (for example EPA 2006, CARB 2004 /2008). The EU2006 standards will only affect the SUPPLY of NEW outboards for ‘RECREATIONAL’ use. By ‘recreational’, the regulators exclude engines for commercial registered vessels and racing engines. This text only is only with regard to recreational engines. ALL engines sold PRIOR to the full implementation of the standards on the dates shown below, may continue to be used. Effectively, after 31st December 2006, any NEW spark ignition two stroke outboard motor which does not meet the EU 2006 standards, (basically conventional carburettor / E.F.I. 2-strokes) will cease to be imported / manufactured into the EU. However, any engines held in stock by EU importers or dealers, which have been tax paid, are exempt, in the same way as though they had been sold prior to the regulations. Equally, only spark ignition four stroke and compression ignition (diesel) outboards, which meet the regulations, may be sold from 31st December 2005, with the same exemption about stock units. It should be noted that the spark ignition four stroke and compression ignition engines are required to meet the regulations a year earlier than spark ignition 2-strokes. (For more details see "Emissions: The Truth") Unlike the EPA and CARB standards, the EU 2006 standard covers three constituents of exhaust emissions, and noise levels. The exhaust emissions included are nitrous oxide and hydrocarbons (as included in EPA & CARB standards) plus carbon monoxide. Consequently the EU 2006 standard is the most difficult to attain compared with EPA and CARB. Unlike the US standards that allow a percentage of ‘dirty’ engines to be sold, the EU 2006 standard will affect EVERY NEW engine sold in the EU. The EU 2006 standard is also the only standard that also covers noise levels for outboards. It should be noted that the EU2006 standard also affects inboard engines in a similar manner to outboards. e.&.o.e. ©
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Moonshiners
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Tohatsu as well as most others i'm sure imported quite alot before the ban, meaning you should be able to find yourself a new one fairly easily.
The ban wasn't a suprise so I think alot ordered enough 2 strokes to tide them over for a while...
The ban wasn't a suprise so I think alot ordered enough 2 strokes to tide them over for a while...
mikefleetwood
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Go on - buy a Seagull - you know you WANT TO!
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VicS
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buy a Seagull
[/ QUOTE ] Got an Australian one here.
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buy a Seagull
[/ QUOTE ] Got an Australian one here.
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