Your thoughts on Moody Halberdier vs Nauticat 33 Mk1

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As heading suggests I would like thoughts and feedback on the balance of things, pro/cons etc, plus any personal experience, or maybe other suggestions that I have not yet considered. Price range around the £30K mark.
Also looking into Belliure Endurance 35.
I would like something to part time live aboard so would like a rear cabin with reasonable headroom hence Moody and Nauticat.
Thoughts welcome
 
I’ve sailed on a mates Nauticat 33. It’s got a good layout with a nice saloon/wheelhouse. It sailed well enough and the ketch rig is quite flexible. The accommodation forward is ok and the galley/dining area layout works well. Ample tankage for water and fuel, reasonable access to the engine once you’ve removed the deck plates in the wheelhouse. Outside steering position is OK but exposed but if you’re sailing in poor weather as this is where all the sail controls run to. Motoring is fine with a decent sized engine.
 
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I’ve sailed on a mates Nauticat 33. It’s got a good layout with a nice saloon/wheelhouse. It sailed well enough and the ketch rig is quite flexible. The accommodation forward is ok and the galley/dining area layout works well. Ample tankage for water and fuel, reasonable access to the engine once you’ve removed the deck plates in the wheelhouse. Outside steering position is OK but exposed but if you’re sailing in poor weather as this is where all the sail controls run to. Motoring is fine with a decent sized engine.
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Im interested in what it actually sails like...It looks like a bit of a tub. I assume upwind is not great and would I be correct in thinking would need 10- 15 knts to get moving
 
Out of those two the Moody is less tubby so would probably be the better sailer. I'd really want whichever one I bought to have had a replacement engine, if they're still on the old original one I would be looking at probable replacement before very long so I would factor that in. Another one worth considering if you can find one would be Hallberg Rassy Rasmus 35...
 
V1701 said:
Out of those two the Moody is less tubby so would probably be the better sailer. I'd really want whichever one I bought to have had a replacement engine, if they're still on the old original one I would be looking at probable replacement before very long so I would factor that in. Another one worth considering if you can find one would be Hallberg Rassy Rasmus 35...
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Thats a good point you make about a replacement engine, although depends rather on the quality and regularity of the maintenance, diesels if well looked after can plod on for years if pampered.
Hallberg Rassy Rasmus 35....this has not popped up on my radar but an interesting boat a little different but defiantly worth a investigating. Have you nay experience of them?
 
As I said, it sails reasonably for the boat that it is. I’d often sailed in company with my friend (we have a Bavaria 38) and would leave him standing when sailing, whilst he was more comfortable motoring. However, I did find that part of the problem was that he was a very cautious sailor, reefing well before he needed to because he didn’t feel happy with the boat healing a lot. I found she went reasonably well to windward but nothing outstanding but you needed to carry more sail than I would do on my fin keeled boat. I like the boat overall but the compromise for a really roomy layout below is a less than stunning performance under sail.
 
mattp said:
As heading suggests I would like thoughts and feedback on the balance of things, pro/cons etc, plus any personal experience, or maybe other suggestions that I have not yet considered. Price range around the £30K mark.
Also looking into Belliure Endurance 35.
I would like something to part time live aboard so would like a rear cabin with reasonable headroom hence Moody and Nauticat.
Thoughts welcome
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I've no knowledge of the Nauticat but did have a Halberdier for about 10 years. Very solidly built (displacement is about 10T) with a long keel which meant that marina manoeuvring took some practice. Sailed well to windward but needed the mizzen dropped as the wind strengthened to stop weather helm. Headroom is good (about 2m)in both the main and aft cabins. They were built in the 60's so expect a replacement engine. Designed by Alan Hill. Search for 'Spearax'
 
While owners might be biased for a small fee maybe the Moodys owners association might give you a chance to sail with the owner of a Halberdier if you are looking on south coast ? I’m sure many moody owners might be grateful of more youthful company and you never know it might be a way of finding a good vessel to purchase?
 
ashtead said:
While owners might be biased for a small fee maybe the Moodys owners association might give you a chance to sail with the owner of a Halberdier if you are looking on south coast ? I’m sure many moody owners might be grateful of more youthful company and you never know it might be a way of finding a good vessel to purchase?
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Yes thats a good thought I might just do that
 
In 1982 I bought a 1973 Nauticat 33. Even at 9 years old it had been treated for osmosis along the waterline which had come back again as in those days there was no 2 pack paint like there is today. The Perkins 72 hp engine was excellent and parts are available everywhere as they fitted this engine in Massey Ferguson Tractors.
If I was buying one again I would go for the slightly later model which has a GRP deck & superstructure. The one I had with teak deck obviously leaked through the calking and the teak deck is laid on top of marine plywood which had gone soft. Even though I had a survey they should have had a look in the anchor locker as the "Stringers" ? which held the deck up had gone soft as you could push a penknife at least 1/4" into them, but of course the anchor locker was not sealed against rain etc. Obviously with the model with the GRP deck & superstructure this would not happen.
A great boat.
 
As mentioned above by Jim@sea the mk1 are composite construction, they may require extensive repair. I was warned by Stratton Marine the UK agent and advised to go for a mk2 with glassfibre deck and wheelhouse.

Google around and there is a series of pages on the repair of a mk1 version.

I have also been told that they tend to roll a bit.

Fabulous accommodation for the size and a good Owners forum.
 
mattp said:
Wow...I love that...cracking looking little ship. What would that fetch on the market though...as I type this my eyes are already watering.
Do you own this one yourself?
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Yes bought her in Feburary for 37k. There are a few about still, have seen them in less decent nick for mid 20s. No rear cabin due to the curvy bum, but the simple layout makes her a decent liveaboard for boat hermits. Sails decently too.
 
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Perhaps also consider Beneteau Evasion 34 eg: Beneteau Evasion 34 Used Boat for Sale 1982 | TheYachtMarket

I spotted one only yesterday with a newish Yanmar for £33k. Facebook I think. [edit - found her] Beneteau Evasion 34 Boat for Sale 1982 | TheYachtMarket

Very happy with mine, still with the original Perkins 4108

Sails well if the wind is brisk. If the wind is light there are quite a few horses upon which to call.

A lot of windows to keep watertight though.

Not quite Nauticat quality, but surprisingly close for an AWB/MAB. Plus no teak deck and an all GRP wheelhouse & deck regardless of mark :0)
 
Jim@sea said:
In 1982 I bought a 1973 Nauticat 33. Even at 9 years old it had been treated for osmosis along the waterline which had come back again as in those days there was no 2 pack paint like there is today. The Perkins 72 hp engine was excellent and parts are available everywhere as they fitted this engine in Massey Ferguson Tractors.
If I was buying one again I would go for the slightly later model which has a GRP deck & superstructure. The one I had with teak deck obviously leaked through the calking and the teak deck is laid on top of marine plywood which had gone soft. Even though I had a survey they should have had a look in the anchor locker as the "Stringers" ? which held the deck up had gone soft as you could push a penknife at least 1/4" into them, but of course the anchor locker was not sealed against rain etc. Obviously with the model with the GRP deck & superstructure this would not happen.
A great boat.
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Yes you answered another question i was wondering about with the wooden deck and doghouse rather than grp. only problem with the mk2 is out of my price range
 
ryanroberts said:
Yes bought her in Feburary for 37k. There are a few about still, have seen them in less decent nick for mid 20s. No rear cabin due to the curvy bum, but the simple layout makes her a decent liveaboard for boat hermits. Sails decently too.
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Very nice...i think younfound a bargain...well done sir
 
Iliade said:
Perhaps also consider Beneteau Evasion 34 eg: Beneteau Evasion 34 Used Boat for Sale 1982 | TheYachtMarket

I spotted one only yesterday with a newish Yanmar for £33k. Facebook I think. [edit - found her] Beneteau Evasion 34 Boat for Sale 1982 | TheYachtMarket

Very happy with mine, still with the original Perkins 4108

Sails well if the wind is brisk. If the wind is light there are quite a few horses upon which to call.

A lot of windows to keep watertight though.

Not quite Nauticat quality, but surprisingly close for an AWB/MAB. Plus no teak deck and an all GRP wheelhouse & deck regardless of mark :0)
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Thanks for the suggestion, I have seen that add already...maybe just me but I dont seem to be drawn to that for some reason
 
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