Your own choice of tall ship

dancrane

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Last weekend on a long, wet, windy walk to Ventnor, Isle of Wight, our effort was rewarded by the sight of the training ship Royalist, coming up-Channel under minimal sail...

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...picture isn't working, sorry, but in a rough, empty sea under a leaden sky, she was a thrill to see.

I'm too old to relish the idea of a steel ship built to resist the abrasive presence of endless cadets' boots. I'd prefer two or three wood-faced ensuite staterooms, rather than a couple of ten-berth common-rooms. And I'd like some discreet labour-saving kit, rather than have to go aloft every time there's a windshift or gust.

But...to me, the appeal of Royalist relative to other tall ships, seems to be how big she isn't. She's a complete little brig, no bigger than large Oysters.

Perhaps one can go too far the other way; here's a perfectly proportioned beauty I found, looking for pictures of Royalist...look closely to see how big she is:

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Seems to me, the atmosphere of a traditional vessel makes up for all dynamic inefficiencies, by being so pleasing regardless of the situation. Whether she's tied up at a dock, lying at anchor, becalmed offshore or trundling along quietly under power, her style makes her a pleasant place with enduring, involving interest.

So, while I'm dreaming...my ideal might be...55ft on deck, 43ft LWL 72ft overall. 13ft beam, about 8ft draft. Rigged as a square topsail schooner. 18" bulwarks along her side decks, davits there too, clear deck area between the deckhouse aft and a forward coachroof, giving space for a clinker sailing tender. And a reasonably discreet, heated wheelhouse for cozy night watches and well-lit breakfast times during long winter weeks moored most of the way up to Totnes.

I wonder how much of today's roller-furling & slab-reefing technology could be applied in wood and brass, to enable small crews to manage a boat like that?

Does anybody else ever dream of a small tall ship, as a boat they and a couple of friends could own and sail regularly as a really individual, gentleman's yacht?
 

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My sailing 'life' started on the 1962 Tall Ships race courtesy of the splendid Christopher St john Ellis's Theodora and Ocean Youth Club to whom she was on loan, she carried a crew of thirteen oiks like me, including two 'ladies' but as a Bristol channel pilot Cutter was designed to be sailed by just two and that despite having no luxuries like sheet or halyard winches etc. The "Winston Churchill was a design only at the time, illustrated in the STA brochure for the race. Theodora was a delight, she creaked and groaned like anyone her age, like she was talking to us to tell us how she felt, we had two full gales in the race and another on the return trip after leaving Amsterdam for Dover. UNfortunately I lost the pics on the Daily Mirror front page taken from a search aircrraft that was out checking on the race boats, we were all sat on the rail like a modern race crew, waving to the camera, got my parents worried nicely that pic, first they knew there was bad weather out there. THEODORA and also 'Duet' were both on loan to OYC at the time, Duet I think from the Rev. Chris Cortauld of Cortauld's Fibres family. Both of those were a gentleman's yacht to dream of just as long as you had full factory backup from proper craftsmen to keep them in pristine condition. I believe that Duet still gets use by the Courtaulds periodically, last time I saw her was in Camaret outer marina in S brittany where the skipper put the lie to ' long keelers are not for marinas' as I watched her being parked up.
 

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Last weekend on a long, wet, windy walk to Ventnor, Isle of Wight, our effort was rewarded by the sight of the training ship Royalist, coming up-Channel under minimal sail...

View attachment 42917

...picture isn't working, sorry, but in a rough, empty sea under a leaden sky, she was a thrill to see.

I'm too old to relish the idea of a steel ship built to resist the abrasive presence of endless cadets' boots. I'd prefer two or three wood-faced ensuite staterooms, rather than a couple of ten-berth common-rooms. And I'd like some discreet labour-saving kit, rather than have to go aloft every time there's a windshift or gust.

But...to me, the appeal of Royalist relative to other tall ships, seems to be how big she isn't. She's a complete little brig, no bigger than large Oysters.

Perhaps one can go too far the other way; here's a perfectly proportioned beauty I found, looking for pictures of Royalist...look closely to see how big she is:

View attachment 42918

Seems to me, the atmosphere of a traditional vessel makes up for all dynamic inefficiencies, by being so pleasing regardless of the situation. Whether she's tied up at a dock, lying at anchor, becalmed offshore or trundling along quietly under power, her style makes her a pleasant place with enduring, involving interest.

So, while I'm dreaming...my ideal might be...55ft on deck, 43ft LWL 72ft overall. 13ft beam, about 8ft draft. Rigged as a square topsail schooner. 18" bulwarks along her side decks, davits there too, clear deck area between the deckhouse aft and a forward coachroof, giving space for a clinker sailing tender. And a reasonably discreet, heated wheelhouse for cozy night watches and well-lit breakfast times during long winter weeks moored most of the way up to Totnes.

I wonder how much of today's roller-furling & slab-reefing technology could be applied in wood and brass, to enable small crews to manage a boat like that?

Does anybody else ever dream of a small tall ship, as a boat they and a couple of friends could own and sail regularly as a really individual, gentleman's yacht?

The trouble with that small tall ship (if traditionally rigged) is that you probably need a crew of at least 5 to 7. When furling one of the square sails, you will need at least two up on the yard, may be four (two each side), two tending the bunt lines etc, (one on each side of the boat), and some one else steering and keeping an eye on coordinating everything.

Now you could probably do some in spar roller furling for the squares (sounds like a disaster waiting to get thoroughly jammed at an inconvenient moment) and some other modernizations in sail handling. But you are eating away at the charm of such a vessel. Also such a vessel won't really go to windward.

The closest I think you can get to what you want is what I already have - a Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter (in my case a modern built copy). It can be managed by two people in all conditions/situations. The size of mine - 53ft LOD is probably at towards the upper end of what a crew of two normal people can manage.

One of the charms of a Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter is that it is in some sense a real boat - designed and built for a purpose and to earn its keep. It is not a rich persons play thing such as a classic yacht.
 

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Did I hear that Royalist is going to be replaced shortly? You might be able to snap yourself up a bargain. She was one of the handiest and prettiest tall ships on the races back when I did them.
 

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Thank you gentlemen; actually I am persuaded that square rig isn't the best choice for a pleasure-boat...they wouldn't make such great training ships if they were easier.

So...with a pang of regret, I'll edit my dreamboat's rig to schooner. Come to think of it, I've always reckoned gaffs looked a pigging nuisance too. P'raps I'll make her a stays'l schooner instead...

...here's a pretty one...

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...she's a little bigger than a new Bavaria 37 but scarcely more expensive: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/196...aysail-Schooner-1289483/Portugal#.U4oehRhwbIU
 
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a bloody sight cheaper, thats US dollars! 150k euros. And very nice, although needs about 50k throwing at her. Maybe more.
 
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