joss
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Not wishing to sound like a kill-joy, or want ot take anything away from the boy, but isn't it stretching things a bit to claim he sailed across alone when he was 'shadowed' by his father?
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Youngest sailor to cross Atlantic - bogus record?
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Nickcf
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I'd agree, more like solo sailing in convoy to me. Still a great achievement but not a solo crossing in the real sense of the word.
RupertW
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It's a hell of an achievement but needs a category of its own. Somebody earlier suggested "youngest singlehanded escorted crossing", which seems fair and would apply to the previous recordholder too.
Sans Bateau
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It could also be said he won a Tranat race, he did arrive ahead of dad didnt he? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Blueboatman
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I was a ''doom and gloom'' pronouncer when this trip started.
I am very pleased that he made it ok.I still think the vessel was not an ideal choice,but will have a closer look I suppose at a suitable boatshow.
Ironic that at least early on it was his fathers 'escort'vessel that had some technical difficulties with electrics and rudder brackets...
Only the young guy can honestly say how useful and important was the escort...
I am very pleased that he made it ok.I still think the vessel was not an ideal choice,but will have a closer look I suppose at a suitable boatshow.
Ironic that at least early on it was his fathers 'escort'vessel that had some technical difficulties with electrics and rudder brackets...
Only the young guy can honestly say how useful and important was the escort...
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It's a hell of an achievement but needs a category of its own. Somebody earlier suggested "youngest singlehanded escorted crossing", which seems fair and would apply to the previous recordholder too.
[/ QUOTE ]Wouldn't that make him a male escort - or would that be his dad? I was as proud as punch when I make my first solo Channel crossing at twice his age. I still haven't done anything more dramatic at four times (and a bit) - or at least not that I could take pride in. A fine achievement by any standard even if not quite solo - single handed seems justified though?
It's a hell of an achievement but needs a category of its own. Somebody earlier suggested "youngest singlehanded escorted crossing", which seems fair and would apply to the previous recordholder too.
[/ QUOTE ]Wouldn't that make him a male escort - or would that be his dad? I was as proud as punch when I make my first solo Channel crossing at twice his age. I still haven't done anything more dramatic at four times (and a bit) - or at least not that I could take pride in. A fine achievement by any standard even if not quite solo - single handed seems justified though?
samwise
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I agree. Already posted on this on the YM Scuttlebutt. The extensive media coverage must be good for sailing in general and the achievement is creditable, however I do feel the success should be qualified. It was, undoubtedly, an "escorted" crossing because the father was in close company for most of the trip. Then you get into questions of degree as to what constitutes solo or single-handed voyages. You could argue that Ellen Mac or Dee Caffari were not true Corinthian sailors, because they relied on extensive shore support -- but does it detract from the achievement? Going back to the youngest sailor, cynics (or realists) suggest the whole thing was a bit of a stunt set up by the father to sell more Tides. Does that tarnish the result? Commercial opportunism has long been a part of competitive sailing and we have learned to live with that, so should we just clap our hands cry Hallelujah for an effort that scores big points for the general good of sailing?
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<snip> Commercial opportunism has long been a part of competitive sailing and we have learned to live with that, so should we just clap our hands cry Hallelujah for an effort that scores big points for the general good of sailing?
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You might have learned to live with it, but for me it is an enathema!...........but whatever, I agree, the lad deserves a big well done for a fine effort.
<snip> Commercial opportunism has long been a part of competitive sailing and we have learned to live with that, so should we just clap our hands cry Hallelujah for an effort that scores big points for the general good of sailing?
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You might have learned to live with it, but for me it is an enathema!...........but whatever, I agree, the lad deserves a big well done for a fine effort.
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You might have learned to live with it, but for me it is an enathema!...........
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You mean you.......? up your.........?and it made you........?
You might have learned to live with it, but for me it is an enathema!...........
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You mean you.......? up your.........?and it made you........?
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Ok, so my spelling is crap! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif...........aint you got some lines ta shoot or some nets to haul?
Oooooooever 'eard of a Fisherman wiv an edumacation!?? Christ Almighty, they will be comin' on 'ere all lardy like in a bit! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Bloddy Janners! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Oooooooever 'eard of a Fisherman wiv an edumacation!?? Christ Almighty, they will be comin' on 'ere all lardy like in a bit! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Bloddy Janners! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
reginaldon
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Enathema. enama or anathema?
bendyone
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Any of you lot sailed accross at the age of 14?
WELL DONE TO THE LAD
WELL DONE TO THE LAD
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Reginaldon what?.........laxatives? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Enathema. enama or anathema?
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Reginaldon what?.........laxatives? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
DAKA
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He certainly gains my respect.
Great achievement.
At that age a certain amount of lee way should be allowed.
Great achievement.
At that age a certain amount of lee way should be allowed.
richardandtracy
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My 9 year old daughter noted that too, and asked if she could run away from home in a boat of her own to create a proper record. I said yes, please do..
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Regards
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Sea Devil
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So what do you feel about the ARC?
About the round then world rally?
Mini transat?
All escorted organised rallies?
Route de Rhum?
I think they are fine - lucky, fairly well off people, having a really fun jolly and a little adventure, with maximum security possible in the circumstances.. On a par with bungee jumping, double parachute jumping etc. Big thrill but pretty secure.
so is it the amount of personal risk and endeavour that makes it 'valuable? I have a feeling it may be.
About the round then world rally?
Mini transat?
All escorted organised rallies?
Route de Rhum?
I think they are fine - lucky, fairly well off people, having a really fun jolly and a little adventure, with maximum security possible in the circumstances.. On a par with bungee jumping, double parachute jumping etc. Big thrill but pretty secure.
so is it the amount of personal risk and endeavour that makes it 'valuable? I have a feeling it may be.
joss
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so is it the amount of personal risk and endeavour that makes it 'valuable?
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Yes, I believe it is. If we laud the achievments that incurred no real risk or effort, then it insults the ones that did.
so is it the amount of personal risk and endeavour that makes it 'valuable?
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Yes, I believe it is. If we laud the achievments that incurred no real risk or effort, then it insults the ones that did.
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so is it the amount of personal risk and endeavour that makes it 'valuable?
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Yes, I believe it is. If we laud the achievments that incurred no real risk or effort, then it insults the ones that did.
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Yep! I think I go along with that. Peter Hill crossed the pond in a wee Junk Rigged Kingfisher 20+ in the last "Jester" I didn't see anybody coming on here billing and cooing over that. Mind you, at least the City of Newport thought it was summat to be recognised as an achievement, and gave him a medal and I believe the freedom of the City for his efforts.
I have said it before, but I will say it again............Yes the lad did very well! but I think a lot of people are standing his achievement a lot taller than it really should be, and then, (and call me cynical if you like), there is the question mark hanging over it regarding blatant marketing exploitation?
Yes you can call his achievement a solo crossing, but not a true single handed crossing, because he had his dad there to pick him up should he fall over. In other words, what I am saying is that it was not an effort in the true Corinthian style.
Somebody posted something about this, saying that his 9 year old daughter picked up on the fact that it wasn't a true single handed effort, now if a 9 year old girl can see it, why can't some of you? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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so is it the amount of personal risk and endeavour that makes it 'valuable?
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Yes, I believe it is. If we laud the achievments that incurred no real risk or effort, then it insults the ones that did.
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Yep! I think I go along with that. Peter Hill crossed the pond in a wee Junk Rigged Kingfisher 20+ in the last "Jester" I didn't see anybody coming on here billing and cooing over that. Mind you, at least the City of Newport thought it was summat to be recognised as an achievement, and gave him a medal and I believe the freedom of the City for his efforts.
I have said it before, but I will say it again............Yes the lad did very well! but I think a lot of people are standing his achievement a lot taller than it really should be, and then, (and call me cynical if you like), there is the question mark hanging over it regarding blatant marketing exploitation?
Yes you can call his achievement a solo crossing, but not a true single handed crossing, because he had his dad there to pick him up should he fall over. In other words, what I am saying is that it was not an effort in the true Corinthian style.
Somebody posted something about this, saying that his 9 year old daughter picked up on the fact that it wasn't a true single handed effort, now if a 9 year old girl can see it, why can't some of you? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif