Yesterday I grew up.

BurnitBlue said:
This realisation was my main beef focussing on running costs on the day I grew up. It is confusing because comparing a 37 foot 40 year old snowgoose to a 45 foot monhull is the classic apples and oranges.

The monohull has hundreds of years development while a Prout catamaran was built with virtually no development except their own experience. My shock came from the marina industry that equates a 37 foot catamaran to a 45 foot monihull. They monetized the two types to a common denometer. I realised that I could never enter a marina again without knowing I was being ripped off. I agree a 45 foot monohull has more interior space and load carrying ability than an old 37 foot catamaran. But a modern developed 45 foot catamaran has a lot more space than any 45 foot monohull.
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It's definitely apples and oranges. Our pre Elite Snowgoose had a 8ft taller mast, laminate sails, foam core under all the bunks, foam core table and doors. She was light by Snowgoose standards. We had a fast Atlantic circuit in here in 2004/5. We kept her light and as a result, she had good sailing performance. The problem was, we could never carry all the things we wanted onboard. By comparison, we now have two Brompton bikes, two sets of dive gear, kite boards, wing boards, wings, kites, two sewing machines, 500 litre diesel tank, 800 litre water tank, large hard dinghy and we still out perform the Snowgoose.
A modern cruising cat of 44/45 ft is a floating home. My experience of them is they are slow. Slower than our monohull. This isn't their purpose. They aren't designed to sail quickly. They are designed to provide comfortable accommodation with lots of space. Unless you go to a performance cat, where load lugging becomes a problem again, just like our snowgoose, then you have to accept mediocre performance. Lagoon, FP and Leopard are such boats. Quality of construction is also questionable. They are mass produced with cheap materials. They are heavy. Even so, their popularity is increasing. They are not for me
 
geem said:
It's definitely apples and oranges. Our pre Elite Snowgoose had a 8ft taller mast, laminate sails, foam core under all the bunks, foam core table and doors. She was light by Snowgoose standards. We had a fast Atlantic circuit in here in 2004/5. We kept her light and as a result, she had good sailing performance. The problem was, we could never carry all the things we wanted onboard. By comparison, we now have two Brompton bikes, two sets of dive gear, kite boards, wing boards, wings, kites, two sewing machines, 500 litre diesel tank, 800 litre water tank, large hard dinghy and we still out perform the Snowgoose.
A modern cruising cat of 44/45 ft is a floating home. My experience of them is they are slow. Slower than our monohull. This isn't their purpose. They aren't designed to sail quickly. They are designed to provide comfortable accommodation with lots of space. Unless you go to a performance cat, where load lugging becomes a problem again, just like our snowgoose, then you have to accept mediocre performance. Lagoon, FP and Leopard are such boats. Quality of construction is also questionable. They are mass produced with cheap materials. They are heavy. Even so, their popularity is increasing. They are not for me
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The only boat I have felt quesy on in the last 30 years was a tropical cruising cat!
 
Blueboatman said:
The only boat I have felt quesy on in the last 30 years was a tropical cruising cat!
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That happens on any different type of boat…if you are used to planing boats a full displacement hull has a different motion in the water…which your stomach may not be used to
 
Bouba said:
That happens on any different type of boat…if you are used to planing boats a full displacement hull has a different motion in the water…which your stomach may not be used to
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Maybe, perhaps not. I have sailed an awful lot of different boats in that same time tho including a mobo or two
 
KevinV said:
I keep all my boat receipts in a boxfile so I can, when the need arises, rummage through to find where I bought what when. One day a new owner might find them helpful.

They are absolutely not there for adding up - that way madness lies.
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I throw all my receipts away - I do not want to be reminded of the boating cost, also to save SWMBO form a heart attack!
 
Blueboatman said:
The only boat I have felt quesy on in the last 30 years was a tropical cruising cat!
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Interestingly, my wife used to get seasick on the catamaran. She doesn't suffer the same on the monohull. The cats motion was more akin to sledging down a bumpy hillside. The monohull motion is far slower, particularly on our heavy cruising boat.
 
Bouba said:
Exactly !.....once in a while who doesn’t fancy a pot noodle 🤷‍♂️🤔
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I cant recall the last time i had a pot noodle. Maybe I tried one 50 years ago and I didn't like it. Perhaps they have improved since then.
 
geem said:
Interestingly, my wife used to get seasick on the catamaran. She doesn't suffer the same on the monohull. The cats motion was more akin to sledging down a bumpy hillside. The monohull motion is far slower, particularly on our heavy cruising boat.
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I likened it to sitting in an inflatable dinghy tethered to the dock on a slightly too short painter.
I like Hobie cats though .
And I have never sailed a Wharram
 
They are advertised on tv a lot,looks awful apparently you just add hot water and spoon it out.Ready meals are also gaining ground as micro waved food is easy for busy housewives……and yet foodie programmes are very popular on tv……..
 
Wansworth said:
e them up.They are advertised on tv a lot,looks awful apparently you just add hot water and spoon it out.Ready meals are also gaining ground as micro waved food is easy for busy housewives……and yet foodie programmes are very popular on tv……..
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No doubt the TV dinner popular in 60s / 70s America will make a comeback, Bouba probably never gave them up.
 
Wansworth said:
They are advertised on tv a lot,looks awful apparently you just add hot water and spoon it out.Ready meals are also gaining ground as micro waved food is easy for busy housewives……and yet foodie programmes are very popular on tv……..
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The good ones have a plastic fork in the lid
 
Given the average age of users of this forum, and the likelihood that many are already taking blood pressure medication, it should be noted that one pot noodle can contain half an adult's daily salt allowance.
Proper sailors should not be looking to Asia for convenience foods, but to South America.
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newtothis said:
Given the average age of users of this forum, and the likelihood that many are already taking blood pressure medication, it should be noted that one pot noodle can contain half an adult's daily salt allowance.
Proper sailors should not be looking to Asia for convenience foods, but to South America.
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It would be easier if they just sent the recipe and canned them in England
 
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