Yes another 'What Yacht should I buy' - but with a difference

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Finding it difficult to find a number of choices for the next yacht.

It must be a cruiser racer.
It will go to France/Biscay far more often than racing.
If we do race it, it would be a 2 handed JOG or similar.
But we dont need a class winning JPK etcetc

The oddity is that it must have 2 heads, but only 2 cabins.
We will never have a full race crew, and the storage and access behind the aft heads will be much more valuable.
I can see no search criteria on the main sites for 2 heads/2 cabins :)

I must be quick but well behaved, and ideally a repected brand for its purpose.
Around 10 years old or so, and around GB150k

J/122 is rare with 2 heads
J/133
Arcona 400
Dehler 41
GS 43 ?? any with 2 heads??
Sweden??

Thoughts??
 
We have a Bavaria 350 lagoon which has two heads and two cabins. I wouldn't describe it as a cruiser/ racer though.
 
2 cabins and 2 heads on a boat designed for some racing? Not sure what would be lower on the list of must haves than a second head on a smallish yacht.
 
Or how about an X412. They have 3 cabins and 2 heads, but you can easily use the forepeak for sails and stuff.
 
Dufour 40 or 44 (I have the latter). Very comparable to Beneteau 40.7 and 44.7 performance-wise and layout, but tend not to have been raced as hard. Fully loaded with cruising gear and tanks full, we easily do 7.3 knots close hauled still steering with fingertips; 9 knots on a beam reach.

Various layouts. We have two heads and three double cabins; it would cost little to convert one to storage if desired, and still have enough for a bowsprit and some sails.

I am a big fan of X yachts also. Perhaps in current environment you might find what you're after for the money; when we were hunting last year I would have said a decent example was a bit more than 150. Lucky you to be buying now...
 
Goldie said:
A bit older, but giving you lots of change, the Starlight 39?
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I could not possibly disagree, but not all of them have two heads. She does have a nice turn of speed.
if storage is important, the port cockpit locker is cavernous, but no through passage to the heads. I haven’t been able to fill all the storage even for a 4 month round Britain.
 
Salona 41

there is a two-head layout. I looked at a single aft head lay out, and liked it quite a bit - that would be the layout for me.

It's not really a racing boat, but they do race them.., so a cruiser racer...

for cruising I would choose it over a J/122

I thought the quality of build was a significant step above other mid-market brands - Hanse and so on...

another choice would be X-40 - many with two heads.., but I really dislike the X-Yachts "Modern" layout.., and it seems most of the X-40's were built in that layout. I feel that it will not work well offshore compared with the "Classic" Layout.
 
Laser_310 said:
another choice would be X-40 - many with two heads.., but I really dislike the X-Yachts "Modern" layout.., and it seems most of the X-40's were built in that layout. I feel that it will not work well offshore compared with the "Classic" Layout.
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The X40 is definitely a good option. To be honest I had never heard of an X-Yachts “modern” layout, but seems to be a linear galley option. Never seen one, and doesn’t seem to be a feature in their recent models.
And for the OP the only twin cabin twin heads option is the “classic” one.
https://3brefc126v633i9r4zk9q3p5-wp.../wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Brochure-X-40.pdf

As others have said, the OP’s combination of “Cruiser / racer” and twin heads is an odd one - but X-Yachts do sounds like one of the few that might meet this.
 
dunedin said:
And for the OP the only twin cabin twin heads option is the “classic” one.
https://3brefc126v633i9r4zk9q3p5-wp.../wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Brochure-X-40.pdf
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when i was actively looking at the X-40, I am pretty sure I saw some listings that had the modern layout and two heads - the forepeak head was just as it is in the 2-head classic layout in that brochure. There are always layout possibilities beyond those indicated in the brochure.

Although I have never sailed on a boat with the x-yachts modern layout - many besides x-yachts use that layout - i think it will work poorly for two reasons;

1) not enough support or bracing possibilities when working in the galley

2) loss of at least one of the best sea berths on the boat. Settees with lee cloths are absolutely the best place to sleep offshore. The motion is the least of anywhere on the boat.., and it is much quieter than the aft cabins - their location under the cockpit makes them quite noisy: easing a winch.., trimming a winch.., dropping a winch handle on the deck... I am not even sure the one berth that does remain is that great - it is curved and difficult to get to.

I am sure the modern layout works well at the dock...

Anyway, the are really nice boats.., especially if you prefer the more traditional smaller cockpit to the wide cockpit favoured today.
 
This must be a contender. If I understand the pics correctly there are 4 cabins and two heads. It would be trivial to turn one of the cabins into storage.

How they've done that in 42 foot appears to be that the heads compartments look really snug. Which is a good thing and something we struggle with; being able to wedge yourself in at sea is so important.

2005 Sweden Yachts 42 Sail New and Used Boats for Sale -
 
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