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Monster carrier begins taking shape,'too big to be built in one place so has to be done in parts'

-Err, 65,000 tons compared to roughly 100,000 + of even a shy Nimitz class American carrier.

The bits are being built around the country so as to distribute jobs, mainly to the voters of any politicians around there.

I would love, just once, to see educated journalism, compared to the things like 'documentaries' saying " Best fighter in WW2, shot down 4,000 Japanese " - a bit awkward when one adds up all the claims, compared to number of Jap' aircraft...

It only needs a little bit of research, YBW you can do better than this !
 
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And there's me thinking we're building something we won't be able to afford to run anyway. I'd better shut up, SWMBO is good friends with the sister of one of the ship designers (I think he might be a sub designer actually). So i'm not allowed disparaging remarks on 'loyalty to friends' grounds..;)

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Monster carrier begins taking shape,'too big to be built in one place so has to be done in parts'

-Err, 65,000 tons compared to roughly 100,000 + of even a shy Nimitz class American carrier.

You get out of bed the wrong side today? And what does: -Err, 65,000 tons compared to roughly 100,000 + of even a shy Nimitz class American carrier. mean?

It says it is the largest Royal Navy construction project. Why bring the US navy into it?
 

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It may be large, but it's not difficult, I seem to remember tales of the Great Britain, Great Eastern etc slotting together fairly well in those 'primitive' days, and I don't think Nicholas Monsarrat's 'Compass Rose' Flower Class Corvettes had all the bits like the engine made on site by a bloke with a hammer in a shed next door.

Ok on reflection I'll mention the Liberty ships and Escort Carriers as better examples of 'slotting together', not a 100% record but what does have ?!
 
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I'm just not sure what your point is.

Normally when someone is having a bit of a rant on here I can at least understand what they are talking about, even if I don't agree with them.

I'm afraid you are just coming across as a misery guts.

It's friday, the sun is out. Go and have a large G&T.
 

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It may be large, but it's not difficult, I seem to remember tales of the Great Britain, Great Eastern etc slotting together fairly well in those 'primitive' days, and I don't think Nicholas Monsarrat's 'Compass Rose' Flower Class Corvettes had all the bits like the engine made on site by a bloke with a hammer in a shed next door.

Well, they quite probably were as it happens :)

A few years after WW2, my old man was one of the blokes with a hammer in the shed next door to the shipyard making the engines :D

Well OK, it was a lot of very BIG sheds and they used slightly more advanced engineering than a simple hammer but my point is that the components for ships were generally built close by the assembly yards, certainly as a rule within the local area. There were exceptions of course - anchors were often cast in the Black Country for example (a LONG way from the sea)

I think the (claimed) point about the new carriers is not that they are physically too big to be built in one place in the UK (clearly they aren't because they've got to be assembled in one location) but that there is no one local area with the capacity and expertise necessary to build all the components in the required timescale etc.

However, I tend towards the more cynical view as expressed earlier that the underlying reason is to spread the "good news" around as many constituencies as possible :)
 

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If you're talking to me, and that is NOT some sort of De Niro impression - just a friendly chat - my point is that this ship is not a 'Monster' and that the reason her construction is being undertaken by various places is to distribute jobs so as to keep various politicians trundling along, which is quite traditional while the YBW article is trying to make it sensational.

My Father also was an ( aircraft ) engineer on Escort Carriers, but I don't think the engine was made alongside, for many ships - Babcock & Co ?!

I apologise if my intent was not clear.

Have a google at 'HMS Vanguard', while not quite as heavy, actually much more of a technical / logistical challenge, and that could probably be said for all the large warships of WW2, even the post war cruise liners when we built them.
 
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