alant
Well-Known Member
Perhaps the air would be cleared, by answers to the following -
(1) What exactly are the 'requirements', allowing anyone to be a member of YBDSA?
(2) Does a yacht surveyor need 'any' qualifications?
YBDSA
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Perhaps the air would be cleared, by answers to the following -
(1) What exactly are the 'requirements', allowing anyone to be a member of YBDSA?
(2) Does a yacht surveyor need 'any' qualifications?
aidanjames
New Member
To get into YDSA you have to be practicing as a surveyor and submit three reports. If accepted you become an affiliate. Then you sit an exam and submit another three and if successful become accredited and can call yourself a member of YDSA to the wider public. There are further grades beyond that. Most surveyors have backgrounds as boat builders, marine engineers, charter yacht skippers, naval architects etc. Some have qualifications such as from IBTC, Solent University and others. YBDSA is a holding company that combines ABYA (brokers) and YDSA (Surveyors) and was set up 100 years ago. Ancasta is a member of ABYA. There is no conflict of interest. Surveyors are obliged to give buyers accurate and impartial advice, otherwise they are in trouble - just look at past threads on here for examples. I'm happy for the local Ancasta office to list me and a dozen or so others but there's no way I can make a living just from them. It is a very competitive industry which is good for you, provided you get someone qualified. Which is what Ancasta and many other established brokers aim to do.
jonic
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alant
Well-Known Member
I give up, I really give up.
I've got no vested interest, so can I go to the party in your stead pls?
Tranona
Well-Known Member
You can read exactly what is required on the YDSA site. However, cannot see why this is relevant to the OPs question.
From what he says he wants Anacasta to list surveyors who belong to other "European" bodies, otherwise he will not buy a boat they have on brokerage. Can't see any logic in that, but he must have a reason to make such an issue of it. Whatever his reason, surely it is a matter between him and Ancasta, unless there is something of more general concern that might interest a wider audience. So far he has not indicated what that might be.
Happydaze
Well-Known Member
A few years back i had an offer accepted subject to survey on a yacht through a broker. He recommended a surveyor who i contacted and asked to do the survey. But before the survey took place, i did a little research and could not find him listed with any regulating body but found a business that both broker and surveyer were co. directors. When challenged, the surveyor admitted he had no qualifications or insurance, so I pulled out. At least if you pick a surveyor independently from a recognised body such as the YBDSA and he is genuinely a member, you have a better chance of an unbiased survey.
jonic
Well-Known Member
I've got no vested interest, so can I go to the party in your stead pls?
NO.
But I'll bring you back a sausage roll.
PaulGooch
Well-Known Member
I give up, I really give up.
Liar, i've seen you post that several times, you still keep coming back for more.
chinita
Well-Known Member
In addition to Aidenjames accurate reply I would add the significance of PI Insurance.
Although not a legal obligation, it is a pre-requisite to YBDSA Membership as a practicing surveyor. Premium between £3 - 5k pa.
Statute of Limitations is six years.
So, if a fledgeling surveyor completes just ONE survey, he must keep up his premiums for the full six years lest his customer initiates any sort of claim.
Perhaps it is this prescriptive requirement which contributes towards non-membership, I wonder.
alant
Well-Known Member
Its relevant, because my impression (may be wrong) is that the OP is making an implication that as well as some nefarious tie up between Brokers/surveyors, in particular Ancasta, that YBDSA members must be some 'lesser' breed of surveyor, non-professional in comparison to other non YBDSA surveyors. This would be of interest to a wider audience.
The post asked for & provided by Aidenjames, should & has satisfied on a public forum, any questions that might alude to any such unprofessional practices/behaviour & cannot be misconstrued to have any vested interest other than that of their client.
Other than jonic of course, who is simply a party animal!
longjohnsilver
Well-Known Member
That's illogical. Which roof exactly are they all under?
And you do seem to have a bee in your bonnet, this all rang a bell, see your conrtributions on this thread from early last autumn
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287457
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jonic
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Liar, i've seen you post that several times, you still keep coming back for more.
I know, its like self flagellation.
Tranona
Well-Known Member
I asked the OP why he was raising the issue (whatever it is!) and he did not reply, so one can only guess (as you did) why he is posting.
A guess on my part is that most brokers could be "accused" of exactly the same "offence".
However, I don't see that qualifications is an issue, if as the OP suggests they ought to list surveyors who belong to other bodies, because they in turn would have their own qualification requirements.
If a "wider audience" wants to see what qualifications are needed, all bodies publish their requirements.
Crabman
Well-Known Member
Morning all ,well that was an interesting sail. Tranona I agree with what you say about govening bodies requirements . It would be far easier for all brokers to give out a list for the govening bodies contact details not surveyors , ybdsa iims rina etc. Gotta go doing return leg .
Tranona
Well-Known Member
Well, write to them and suggest it. YBDSA gives the widest range of surveyors so not unreasonable to direct potential purchasers there. If the other bodies want to promote their members through brokers then it is up to them to persuade brokers to do so.
There is no compulsion to use YBDSA surveyors and the other bodies are perfectly entitled to promote their members, as indeed some of them do. So cannot see what the problem is.
Richard Shead
Slipped Anchor
Governing bodies?
Why not just get a copy of the yellow pages and contact each and every entry in there, I am sure there will be a few that will help you in your search for a survey...Or contact the ones that are registered with an association designed to HELP the purchaser......
Anyhow time to stop feeding now...
Tranona
Well-Known Member
Yes, I recall that now. He does seem to have a problem, not just with understanding the subject. Whatever it is seems extreme to use it as a reason for not buying a boat.
Wonder why he raises it again with no explanation.
jac
Well-Known Member
Anyone see that film re trolls?
grumpy_o_g
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I can tell you EXACTLY what Ancasta at Cobbs Quay do when you ask them for a lsit of surveyors at the same time as making an offer on a boat.
They give a list of about a dozen or so local surveyors along with the comment that they really shouldn't recommend a surveyor as the relationship has to be strictly between you and the surveyor and that they are representing the seller. The list included some of the most reputable surveyors in the area, including Charles Rossiter, who owns and runs a marina and moorings in nearby Christchurch, has his own brokerage (admittedly a very small scale these days) and has even designed and built his own boats in the past. If anything he's a competitor to Ancasta.
It was also stressed that there was no requirement to use any of the surveyors on the list or even to have one at all. He covered the fact that we should make sure that the surveyor had professional indemnity, that we should understand exactly what we're getting (especially with regard to rigging and engine/mechanicals), and even the fact that a good surveyor would guide you as to what where useful bargaining pints, what needed fixing and where to get quotes from, etc. - something directly in conflict with his interests.
At no point was it intimitated that we should use someone from the list (which was only given with caveats after we requested it). Even if it was we both knew we could ignore him - which you seem to understand as well. That's why it's difficult to understand why you should walk away from a boat that you obviously desired when there was no need to.
I think there's either a fundamental mis-communication in your posts somewhere on someone's side ...