"yachtsmen"

[amber]

\"yachtsmen\"

I am currently trying to write an article and am looking for a more 'PC' version of the word "yachtsmen", having discussed it with fellow sailors we have drawn a bit of blank - does anyone have any thoughts/ideas?

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[Neraida]

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whats wrong with yachtsmen and yachtswomen?? I'm sure there are alot of people that will agree with me, but there are some differences between men and women, even now, in 2004, men and women are not the same.

You could use "sailor" of course.

Bloody world's gone mad.

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[claymore]

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I've actually had enough of political correctness. The world has gone mad and now we are falling over ourselves lest we cause offence. Students have become learners and now they cannot 'fail' - but we can say that they didn't achieve. Don't you think we are losing our grip on reality a little here?

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[Neraida]

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Indeed. I cannot see where the requirement for "PC" comes into the world of sailing/boating. Afterall, aren't the constraints and oppression of this mundane, dumbed-down, nanny society one of the reasons why the majority of us "let go" and go floating about?

Amber, I have no desire to offend you, but you have really ruined my mood for the day!

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[Capt_Marlinspike]

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There may be yachtsmen and yachtswomen, but we are all Yachties.

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[Talbot]

Re: \"yachtsmen\"

If you take the PC version of "Chairman" as being "Chairperson", Then the corrrect word would be "Yachtperson"

Personnaly I HATE this PC business and if I ever get called Yachtperson I would respond with some aggression.


"A biff on the nose is worth a thousand words"

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[jimi]

Re: "yachtsmen"

Dear Talbot,

you are the loveliest yachtperson it has been my pleasure to meet.

Luv & kisses
Jimi

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[jimi]

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Dear Talbot,

you are the loveliest yachtperson it has been my pleasure to meet.

Luv & kisses
Jimi

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[Metabarca]

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OK, so we have 'person' instead of the nasty, sexist 'man' .
But 'yacht' too has snobbish overtones. Let's use boat instead.
So if we talk collectively about us yotties, what do you get: 'boatpeople'!

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[AndrewB]

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Boater is the accepted PC in the States. But of course that too has upper-class connotations in the UK.

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[jimi]

Re: \"yachtsmen\"

Perhaps "Floater" might be better?

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[robp]

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Are we going to re-write the English language just because some bright spark invented PC? In many other languages gender plays an important role. Umpteen million school kids will be delighted that we'll neuter all the nouns. Will you refer to Lifeboatpersons and Seapersons too? Like everyone else here, I've had enough of PC.

Write wot's right!

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[Mudhook]

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I think "boat people" is in pretty common usage in my neck of the woods. The yacht word, whether with "men" or "women" appended, has gone out of use to some degree. When referring to my boat, it's always "boat" and never "yacht", whether I'm talking to someone in the family or a total stranger.

Before we all explode about PC, let's remember how it works. There was once a laudable idea that children should grow up thinking that girls and boys could do anything they wanted, and that girls shouldn't be shunted away from a lot of interesting jobs. But in those far-off days most books and conversations were full of firemen, yachtsmen, airmen, chairmen and so on, and an impressionable girl could be forgiven for thinking that these jobs weren't for her. A more enlightened generation considered it wise to make our language less prone to such stereotyping, usually with good results but of course some fairly silly things too like chairperson. So let's not get too excited about PC. If you want to have a bad day, have one by all means, but don't blame it on someone trying to think of a common-sense alternative to the idea that only blokes can do yachting.

Regards, Mudhook.

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[steve_cronin]

NO

PCism is absolute b@//@$7$

Next question?

Steve Cronin

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[AndrewB]

Next question.

OK to describe someone as a nigger then? Not this enfeebled modern PC usage "black". It was good enough for Conrad, after all.

(No, I'm not an imbecile. I merely "suffer learning difficulties". And you aren't a lunatic. Just "demonstrate challenging behaviour".)

 

[jeffro]

Re: Next question.

Tosser maybee fits as we all get tossed about!

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[aod]

Yachtsailor

Interesting question and one when I first read it also raised my hackles but!

Although the law is gender specific in that it says 'he this' or 'he that' and no-one moans about it because it's by way of explanation so it doesn't
really apply.

Firemen became firefighters.

A person who sails a dinghy is a dinghy sailor as oppose to a dinghyman so why not adopt the term Yachtsailor which in fact is what those who sail yachts are

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[claymore]

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Well - Boatpeople isn't that good because of the Vietnamese connection.
Perhaps yachtsmen is a word which reflects a time when men rather than women participated in sailing - if that is the case and the gender participation balance has altered then by all means use yachtswoman - no problem - but anything that attempts to label with the addition of the suffix person or people is normally a complete no-brainer.
I remember we used to sit on chairs - now we have meetings run by them - I find it tragic that the English language could be so corrupted by a bunch of leftie boiler-suited feminists and limpwristers as to turn people into inanimate objects.
Say it as it is Claymore.
Sorry about this - having a terrible morning!

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[steve_cronin]

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Cool yourself Andrew.

I didn't say that there isn't a place for respect of others nor sensitivity for their feelings. Like a lot of other people frustrated at not being able to get to their boats and sit at a desk all day you make HUGE assumptions. Note I said "PC-ISM"

Your grovelling cringing apology will be accepted.

Steve Cronin

PS were you calling me a lunatic?

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[milltech]

Re: \"yachtsmen\"

Don't know about any upper class connotations, but certainly the correct interpretation of the word can only be "hat". Sailor is the preferred generic term for those who go to sea in anything from bath-tub to to super-tanker.

Next get me on to the even worse "push-pit" over which I can have a serious rant.

Due to our heritage there is a word for everything nautical in the English language, why can't we be content to use them.


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