Yacht transport by road-self laoding crane required.

charles_reed said:
Most in-built cranes on lorries are good for 1 tonne a few for 30 cwt any distance outside the wheelbase.
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Rubbish. Kindred Spirit was picked up by a HIAB, her official weight was 3.5 tonnes so probably a bit more in reality. The truck couldn't get right alongside her either due to an old covered slurry pit that wouldn't take the weight, so there was a fair bit of reach involved as well.

Pete
 
I am not so sure

Lakesailor said:
Hiab disagree http://www.hiab.co.uk/Products/Loader-cranes/?productGroupId=34360

23 tonne metre would allow a fair bit of reach for a 5 ton boat.
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Actually, and merely for the pleasure of being a pedant, it will barely be enough.

5 tonnes of boat would give a radius of 23/5= 4.6 meters. place the lorry right by the boat and the radius required is at least half the lorry width (1.2M) plus his outrigger (1.2M) plus Half the boat width (1.6M) = 4M pretty tight.
BUT WORSE
To swing the boat onto the truck you need a radius of half the boat length (4M) plus the amount by which the crane protrudes from its radius point when lifting and swinging in line with the lorry bed. Probably a metre with this sort of awkward lift, giving a radius of 5M NBG.

From work I remember that lifting bulky items such as site huts or containers needed a bigger crane than at first apparent as to overcome the front corner of the container (or the bow of a boat ) the crane had to be set with the first hinged section vertical and the lift in tonne metres drops in this configuration. Hiab and Atlas did not bother to mention this in their blurb. This is why specialist movers have such monster cranes.

Fortunately I now see that the Griffon is quite a bit lighter than 5 tonnes.
 
johnphilip said:
What you said was "23 tonne metre would allow a fair bit of reach for a 5 ton boat." I begged to differ.
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Total pedantry.
In fact my post was in answer to Charles Reed who said
Most in-built cranes on lorries are good for 1 tonne a few for 30 cwt any distance outside the wheelbase.
For a Westerly Griffon, you'll almost certainly need a separate lift crane and a low-loader.
This might account for the number of no responses you're getting - the machine for which you're has not yet been invented.
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To which my answer was
Hiab disagree http://www.hiab.co.uk/Products/Loade...tGroupId=34360
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The mention of lift capacity was to show that Charles Reed's comment was mistaken. As I have shown there are much larger Hiabs, all listed on their site.

Rarely have I come across such pedantic pedantry in a forum known for it's pedantry. :D
 
Lakesailor said:
Total pedantry.
In fact my post was in answer to Charles Reed who said To which my answer was

The mention of lift capacity was to show that Charles Reed's comment was mistaken. As I have shown there are much larger Hiabs, all listed on their site.

Rarely have I come across such pedantic pedantry in a forum known for it's pedantry. :D
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Succeeded then, I said in the first post I was being pedantic, but I also had a point that your post had a minor inaccuracy and having spent years trying to get the best lifts out of relatively small lorry cranes it did catch my eye.
Does the forum award gold pendants for pedants?
 
Well I have tried contacting the ones suggested on this thread and wait with baited breath!
Having spoken to a few of them by phone, they all seem keen, but we shall wait and see what responses I receive. Have contacted by email giving as much detail as possible, so lets see how many responses I receive! Thanks for the suggestions, keep them coming if you can think of any more.
BTW the reason for not bringing by sea is threefold. First I don't have the time to do the trip, secondly I lack the experience to do it (without help from others) and thirdly if it goes pear shaped on the way round and I have to leave new boat in marina's enroute due to weather/time/etc, it could cost as much in temporary berthing fees as bringing boat rouund by road in a day. Does that make sense?
 
mickywillis said:
BTW the reason for not bringing by sea is threefold. First I don't have the time to do the trip, secondly I lack the experience to do it (without help from others) and thirdly if it goes pear shaped on the way round and I have to leave new boat in marina's enroute due to weather/time/etc, it could cost as much in temporary berthing fees as bringing boat rouund by road in a day. Does that make sense?
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I would be curious to know how the cost of a professional delivery crew would compare to road transport?
 
johnphilip said:
I would be curious to know how the cost of a professional delivery crew would compare to road transport?
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Delivery by road quotes (inc mast up/down both ends and lifting on/off at either end) have ranged from £800 to £2200 from those companies who have replied.
No idea on how much a delivery crew would charge, but I'm sure it would be at least £100 per day per person, so if the trip took 4 days, skipper and crewmate, would be about £800 (and that's if done in 4 days with no problems) I assume berthing, fuel, etc would probably be on top of the £100/day.
Anyone care to give an indication if I'm in the right ballpark with these figures?
 
Lakesailor said:
..... The mention of lift capacity was to show that Charles Reed's comment was mistaken. As I have shown there are much larger Hiabs, all listed on their site. ...
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As an example, my Rival 41C at about 10 tonne (41' LOA x 11' beam) was lifted off a low loader with a hiab on the back of another tractor unit, swung round and lowered into its cradle at nearly the maximum extent of the arm, I estimate at least a 30 foot reach from truck to cradle. I posted pics on here last year. It was quite impressive as the hiab operator used a remote control. What I only appreciated later was that the small foot print of the tractor unit allowed the hiab to placed in the best position (porta-cabins and builders materials are stored in the yard around my space).

Good luck to the OP with his move. It cost me about £320 for the big hiab for a Sunday lift which included overtime for the driver.
 
mickywillis said:
Delivery by road quotes (inc mast up/down both ends and lifting on/off at either end) have ranged from £800 to £2200 from those companies who have replied.
No idea on how much a delivery crew would charge, but I'm sure it would be at least £100 per day per person, so if the trip took 4 days, skipper and crewmate, would be about £800 (and that's if done in 4 days with no problems) I assume berthing, fuel, etc would probably be on top of the £100/day.
Anyone care to give an indication if I'm in the right ballpark with these figures?
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With such a range of prices I'm amazed that you didn't look into this before buying a boat.

And can't you spare 4 days of your time? A long weekend ??
 
mickywillis said:
Delivery by road quotes (inc mast up/down both ends and lifting on/off at either end) have ranged from £800 to £2200 from those companies who have replied.
No idea on how much a delivery crew would charge, but I'm sure it would be at least £100 per day per person, so if the trip took 4 days, skipper and crewmate, would be about £800 (and that's if done in 4 days with no problems) I assume berthing, fuel, etc would probably be on top of the £100/day.
Anyone care to give an indication if I'm in the right ballpark with these figures?
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Not far out for a professional delivery crew. You won't see much change out of £1k - don't forget you have to pay them to get home as well.

£800 sounds very good for road, particularly if it includes lifts.

Unless you want to go on the trip to gain experience of your new boat, road is the way to go. Quicker, predictable, less risk of damage, plus you get an opportunity to check the mast over before you step it again.
 
mickywillis said:
Getting a bit p8ss*d off with this now!
After emailing about 25 different haulage companies (both boat transport specialists and heavy haulage companies) only 5 have had the decency to reply back to me with either a quote or a "sorry we cannot help you" message.
Part of my current job involves contacting customers regarding quotes for repairs to their equipment.
EVERY single enquiry receives a response.
Why is it the common decency of replying is now a dying art?
Even if a supplier/contractor cannot assist with an enquiry, why do they just not bother replying? Is it too small a job or are they making so much money, they can afford to pick and choose what work they want?
Maybe its time to set up a haulage company!!
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There is a difference between actually ringing them up or sending pretty useless emails
There is a way of getting a response & there is a way of being able to say "well i asked them" both get different results
 
Daydream believer said:
There is a difference between actually ringing them up or sending pretty useless emails
There is a way of getting a response & there is a way of being able to say "well i asked them" both get different results
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Well if you think the following email message is rude/inpersonal/illiterate, then I am surely surprised.
This is a copy of the message that I have sent to each of the companies involved:

Hello,

I have found your website after an internet search and was wondering if you could quote regarding transportation of a yacht from Ipswich to Langstone Harbour?
Boat in question is a Westerly Griffon, 26ft length,9ft 3” beam with a displacement of appx 6000 Lbs.
She needs to be moved from the Orwell Yacht Club (postcode IP2 8LR) to Tudor SC (postcode PO3 5LY)
Currently on the hard with mast up, the mast will require lowering for transportation and putting back up upon arrival at destination. Boat will be put into a compound at Tudor SC and not into the water.
As a crane is not available at either end, a self load option with HIAB crane would be the best option. If you offer the option of a 4 Wheel Rigid bed lorry with crane, would that probably be the best option?
Could you possibly give me a quote for all works and transport costs (inc taking down and putting up the mast). There is no rush for the job as we have not purchased yet, so could wait until you have a return trip from the South Coast back to the East coast (or vice versa) if it helps reduce costs!

With thanks,

Mike

And guess what? Even the companies I RANG have now failed to provide a response, either as a "we are unable to help you" or "we will get back to you ASAP"
They were the ones that suggested I email the details to them after making telephone contact first.
What has happened to good old fashioned Customer Service?
Very disappointed.
 
Just_sayin' said:
With such a range of prices I'm amazed that you didn't look into this before buying a boat.

And can't you spare 4 days of your time? A long weekend ??
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As stated NO, I don't have enough annual leave left this year to take time off.
If you are offering to do it for me, then please feel free to contact me and quote a price!
As you do not know my personal situations, then perhaps you should just leave well alone and not make such comments!!
 
mickywillis said:
As stated NO, I don't have enough annual leave left this year to take time off.
If you are offering to do it for me, then please feel free to contact me and quote a price!
As you do not know my personal situations, then perhaps you should just leave well alone and not make such comments!!
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So you asked the same question back in May, you're asking it again now, you haven't bought the boat, you've been quoted what seems to be a VERY reasonable £800, and you're still asking.

Don't need or want to know your personal circumstances.

You've had replies but not from everyone.

I feel sorry for your seller.

'I want your boat but 3 months on I am still trying to find something cheaper than £800, please wait a bit longer"

You're not from Preston or Brighton are you? ;)
 
charles_reed said:
Most in-built cranes on lorries are good for 1 tonne a few for 30 cwt any distance outside the wheelbase.
For a Westerly Griffon, you'll almost certainly need a separate lift crane and a low-loader.
This might account for the number of no responses you're getting - the machine for which you're has not yet been invented.
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A building friend of mine often needed a crane for clients various urgent jobs. Mainly quick lifts not needing a full day
So he bought a lorry & has a 25 tonne HIAB fitted. Can lift several tonnes at quite large radius & cheaper than buying a crane as it is far more adaptable
So your 30 cwt is a bit out of date
 
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