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Hi all
As some of you know I am setting about marinising a Peugeot 1.9TD car engine. Seream Enviromental sent me some great pics of their marinised engine.
I was talking to a friend, I have one or two, the other day showing him the pictures and he said I may not need the air charger / cooler for the turbo.
Any ideas of what positives or negitives with leaving this out.

Thanks for any input.
 
The air charge cooler is there to increase the density of the intake air, and it is this that really enables the turbo to do its job. It is very rare these days to find a turbo installation without charge cooling. So I would definitely not delete it. Most marinised engines have water to air charge coolers, to make them even more effecitve, as water cooling will cool the charged air much mokre than air cooling, improving its efficiency.
 
Hi
I had that very engine fitted to my Westerly 33, sadly now sold. It was a Vetus conversion called I think the B19. An excellent engine, very reliable and easy to work on. It was coupled through a Hurth gearbox.
At 51hp it was probably slightly overpowered for the size of boat but was very handy when you needed to push against a blow or tide.

The engine did not have a turbo or the associated bits for it, it did not even have an air filter.
It did not need a turbo for the use it was put to. Cruising revs would be about 2200 - 2500 so a turbo would have hardly kicked in at those revs. The engine was plenty powerful without a turbo, unless of course you need it for a different type of boat.
I still have some pictures of the installation which I can let you have if you send me your email address.
 
rafiki_ said:
The air charge cooler is there to increase the density of the intake air, and it is this that really enables the turbo to do its job. It is very rare these days to find a turbo installation without charge cooling. So I would definitely not delete it. Most marinised engines have water to air charge coolers, to make them even more effecitve, as water cooling will cool the charged air much mokre than air cooling, improving its efficiency.
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Agree all that. It's an important bit of kit. You'll need a heat exchanger that uses seawater to cool the compressed charge air
 
Unless as Samyl says, the engine is to be a low power plodder, in which case you need a non turbocharged, normally aspirated engine. I personally would not use the PSA in this instance, as the spares are going to be very difficult to obtain.
 
rafiki_ said:
Unless as Samyl says, the engine is to be a low power plodder, in which case you need a non turbocharged, normally aspirated engine. I personally would not use the PSA in this instance, as the spares are going to be very difficult to obtain.
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Same base engine, so i doubt there'll be many parts hard to find. It was an extremely common engine in cars, fitted to a zillion Peugeots, Citroens and Rovers, though most were turbo charged. You could fill a container with secondhand lumps for scrap money.

Nice easy engine to rebuild, so one from a scrap car would work out very cheap. Especially a non-turbo as a plodder, good second hand lump would run forever. We had a pair in a Princess 32, not enough for planing speeds, but very, very economical.
 
PaulGooch said:
Same base engine, so i doubt there'll be many parts hard to find. It was an extremely common engine in cars, fitted to a zillion Peugeots, Citroens and Rovers, though most were turbo charged. You could fill a container with secondhand lumps for scrap money.

Nice easy engine to rebuild, so one from a scrap car would work out very cheap. Especially a non-turbo as a plodder, good second hand lump would run forever. We had a pair in a Princess 32, not enough for planing speeds, but very, very economical.
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Paul,

I am not aware of any that weren't turbo'd in PSA or Rovers in the UK, although there may have been a City or Van version in France. So bottom end parts will be easy to source, but all the top ends in the UK will be for turbo's so heads/pistons/cranks/cams are going to be iffy for a n/a application.

There was a non turbo Perkins Prima in the Maestro van in the '80's, and there were used successfully as donkey engines in boats/barges. Might be an alternative for the OP?
 
rafiki_ said:
Paul,

I am not aware of any that weren't turbo'd in PSA or Rovers in the UK, although there may have been a City or Van version in France. So bottom end parts will be easy to source, but all the top ends in the UK will be for turbo's so heads/pistons/cranks/cams are going to be iffy for a n/a application.

There was a non turbo Perkins Prima in the Maestro van in the '80's, and there were used successfully as donkey engines in boats/barges. Might be an alternative for the OP?
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There were XUD9's fitted to a few models, the Citroen BX, some Peugeot 306's etc. They also do a later, non turbo 1.9 that's normally aspirated, forget the model number but was fitted to 306's and the Partner.

Think the Prima is around 50-60 Hp, normally aspirated. Not sure about parts availability via automotive channels, should be some marine bits about though, they did use a lot of them badged as Volvo. Seemed common in 80/90's sailboats when i was looking.
 
We have a few of these at work in vans, well i think they are the same, but the point i am trying to make is most early french diesel are very noisy engines.


Lynall
 
lynall said:
We have a few of these at work in vans, well i think they are the same, but the point i am trying to make is most early french diesel are very noisy engines.


Lynall
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:confused: Are there diesels out there which don't sound like a cement mixer filled with hammers and broken glass falling down a staircase? XUDs are hardly silent, but they're more refined than their contemporaries.
 
XUD9TD engine

Does this have a cambelt? if it does I would have though it a very foolish engine to use in a boat as the belt would be a serious potential weakness and it is often difficult to change a belt in the confines of a boat installation and therefore is not done with calamitous consequences.
 
Paddingtonbear said:
Does this have a cambelt? if it does I would have though it a very foolish engine to use in a boat as the belt would be a serious potential weakness and it is often difficult to change a belt in the confines of a boat installation and therefore is not done with calamitous consequences.
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It depends on the installation. I have 2 of the Merc Isuzu diesels in Rafiki, with cam belts, need changing at 5 years. Access is good in my Sunline.
Belts were not uncommon 10 or so years ago. I think used for cost reasons.
 
jimfin said:
Hi all
As some of you know I am setting about marinising a Peugeot 1.9TD car engine. Seream Enviromental sent me some great pics of their marinised engine.
I was talking to a friend, I have one or two, the other day showing him the pictures and he said I may not need the air charger / cooler for the turbo.
Any ideas of what positives or negitives with leaving this out.

Thanks for any input.
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The original air charge cooler (intercooler) will be useless on a boat as there is no air flow, you will need a a proper marinised water cooled cooler.
 
Paddingtonbear said:
Does this have a cambelt? if it does I would have though it a very foolish engine to use in a boat as the belt would be a serious potential weakness and it is often difficult to change a belt in the confines of a boat installation and therefore is not done with calamitous consequences.
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Yes these engines do have a cambelt which is quite easy to change provided you can get at the front of the engine, you usually can in most boats.

Having a cambelt on a boat engine would not bother me in the slightest. Have you ever tried to change one in the confines of a car engine bay? Much more difficult.

Parts are still readily available from any Peugeot / Citreon dealer.
 
Paddingtonbear said:
Does this have a cambelt? if it does I would have though it a very foolish engine to use in a boat as the belt would be a serious potential weakness and it is often difficult to change a belt in the confines of a boat installation and therefore is not done with calamitous consequences.
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Yes it has a belt, very easy to change. It wouldn't be out of place in a boat, there are lots of marine engines fitted with belts. My current boat is fitted with a belt, also very easy to change.
 
SAMYL said:
Yes these engines do have a cambelt which is quite easy to change provided you can get at the front of the engine, you usually can in most boats.

Having a cambelt on a boat engine would not bother me in the slightest. Have you ever tried to change one in the confines of a car engine bay? Much more difficult.

Parts are still readily available from any Peugeot / Citreon dealer.
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Some cars even have to have the engine and gearbox removed to do the belt.
 
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