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marina as made me move berths from canal side,to a pontoon berth.
the problem is the boat only fit's halfway onto the berth now. the other half
hang's off in no-man's land!
so basically i'm paying for a 40ft berth but only getting a 20ft jetty!

would you be happy?
 
I believe most marinas are the same in taking as much money as possible and giving the least amount of space. Charge by the mm, give to the nearest metre. At present we pay for a 10 meter boat and given a 8 metre berthing space.
David
 
moonraker 36 said:
marina as made me move berths from canal side,to a pontoon berth.
the problem is the boat only fit's halfway onto the berth now. the other half
hang's off in no-man's land!
so basically i'm paying for a 40ft berth but only getting a 20ft jetty!

would you be happy?
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I think its pretty normal although the pontoon only being half the length of the boat seems a little bit over the top for me. Most boats in my marina seem to have under a third hanging in no-mans land.

So in answer to your question - no, I would NOT be happy!
 
Nope, I wouldn't be happy. The marina charge by the metre, you should only pay for the metre. Half size berth equalls half price charges, I'd be asking for a refund
 
First I would read my contract, and then:

1) If they can do that, I would move marinas
2) If that is not in the T&C's I would make as much of a pain of myself as you can and get a discount and moved back...

Mr angry works and makes you feel better....
 
i can'nt really name the marina.. as if the kick me out i ai'nt got no where to go as yet.
And that was my thought's aswell only pay half price!!
what happen's if someone bump's into the end that's sticking out!
as it's on an end berth and everyone as to maneuver around the stern to get to their berth's.....
 
I would be pretty miffed myself but age has taught me to be clever intsead of confrontational (as I would have a few yrs back) there are ways to fix a result without being seen to.
Perhaps a quick word with a few of the other berth holders you get on well with.
If you can get half a dozen of them to complain that yr boat is making manouvering difficult the marina might take it better and less fall-out for you.
Just a thought
 
Many years back I was given a berth at LYH the pontoon was 10m the boat 13.2, when bows in you had real difficulty getting on and off as we had to climb over the rails and walk down the deck to the cockpit.

One night my ex wife fell in the water, I contacted the office over this as when I bought the boat it was on a longer pontoon, and was allowed to take over the berth, but when I came to the boat for the first time the boat had been movedd without any notice to me, as id paid for the year there was no refund so yes I was not happy, the only option was to moor stern to, which meant a difficult time if the wind was wrong.

I eventually pointed out that getting on and off the boat was only a job for a fit and able person, and as my mother came to the boat there was no way she would be able to get on.

Still no joy, so I pointed out that it may be a health and safety issue and the fact that if an accident happened I would make a claim against them.

THey just pointed out in a blaze way that I was lucky to have got aberth there and there was a 3 year waiting list.

Funny thing is every time we have visited there this year we have been asked where we are berthed and would we be interested in a berth there, how times have changed, I did have a chat about our past experience there and was assured we would get a berth that was nearly 100% the length of the boat.

So yes ive been there, in todays climate on the south coast its so very easy to pick up another mooring if your not happy where you are, why should anyone have to put up with unsuitable berths these days.
 
Just walk round any marina and look at how many fingers are longer than the boats, you wont find many. One of the best I have found is Swanwick as there fingers seem to be bigger than most.
If you look at most mooring contracts they say they have the right to move you as and when required and dont guarantee you the same berth, however this is not a problem.
I have just returned from Darthaven and there are bertholders saying that they are being blocked in by yachts for the regatta rafted 5/6 deep and when mentioned to the office the answer is tough, and same with the car park, they wont keep a space for a berth holder as they are getting extra cash fom all the visitors.
 
aquapower said:
Just walk round any marina and look at how many fingers are longer than the boats, you wont find many. One of the best I have found is Swanwick as there fingers seem to be bigger than most.
If you look at most mooring contracts they say they have the right to move you as and when required and dont guarantee you the same berth, however this is not a problem.
I have just returned from Darthaven and there are bertholders saying that they are being blocked in by yachts for the regatta rafted 5/6 deep and when mentioned to the office the answer is tough, and same with the car park, they wont keep a space for a berth holder as they are getting extra cash fom all the visitors.
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OK,

Here in the Med we do not bother with pontoons, just use slime lines! However I stayed in the new Marina at la Linea last week. We had a 15m Berth with a pontoon finger side on. The finger was 13m and made life so much easier as our boat is about 13.5m! all for 22€ a night including water and elec and brand new (fancy) shower blocks!

My experience of marinas all over is that the older the Marina, the tighter the berths!

Paul
 
It all depends on your contract with the marina. Ours does state that the marina management can move us around the marina should they need to. Currently we have an 8.5m fonger pontoon for our 7.23m boat which works out quite well. Even the larger boats in the marina have pontoons long enough for them to be fully on a pontoon as it were. The biggest boats are around 45ft.
 
aquapower said:
Just walk round any marina and look at how many fingers are longer than the boats, you wont find many. One of the best I have found is Swanwick as there fingers seem to be bigger than most.
If you look at most mooring contracts they say they have the right to move you as and when required and dont guarantee you the same berth, however this is not a problem.
I have just returned from Darthaven and there are bertholders saying that they are being blocked in by yachts for the regatta rafted 5/6 deep and when mentioned to the office the answer is tough, and same with the car park, they wont keep a space for a berth holder as they are getting extra cash fom all the visitors.
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I believe that Swanwick is about to be reconfigured, presumably with the loss of the nice long fingers that they currently enjoy.

On Darthaven - something's changed there this year, we've previously had great experiences with the staff there as visitors, but this year they were extremely unpleasant to deal with. We won't be going back.

Walcon who made the pontoon system used in many marinas recommend that the finger only needs to be 75% of the loa of the boat - so for a 12m berth, the finger is as a general standard only 9m long. The marinas seem to rely on this recommendation, despite the overwhelming preference of their berthholders for a full-size finger.

Cheers
Jimmy
 
Nearly all (can't think of one I've seen that aren't) marina pontoons are a good 20% if not more shorter than the boat that's on them. Not sure if having the pontoon the same size as the boat would have any effect on whether someone hits you or not.
 
KevB said:
Nearly all (can't think of one I've seen that aren't) marina pontoons are a good 20% if not more shorter than the boat that's on them. Not sure if having the pontoon the same size as the boat would have any effect on whether someone hits you or not.
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well when you've got half the boat sticking out..and restricing access to 15 other berth's. they maybe a good chance it may get hit....
 
It's not acceptable. Apart from the increased difficulty of mooring upto a short finger and getting on/off your boat, a large boat on a small finger puts a lot of load on that finger in a gale to the point where it might even break. IMHO you should really hassle the marina about this issue and if they won't give you another berth, maybe call your insurance company and see whether they're willing to put some pressure on the marina. After all, its in the interests of your insurance co to ensure that your boat is berthed as safely as possible
 
KevB said:
Nearly all (can't think of one I've seen that aren't) marina pontoons are a good 20% if not more shorter than the boat that's on them. Not sure if having the pontoon the same size as the boat would have any effect on whether someone hits you or not.
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It's not acceptable. Apart from the increased difficulty of mooring upto a short finger and getting on/off your boat, a large boat on a small finger puts a lot of load on that finger in a gale to the point where it might even break. IMHO you should really hassle the marina about this issue and if they won't give you another berth, maybe call your insurance company and see whether they're willing to put some pressure on the marina. After all, its in the interests of your insurance co to ensure that your boat is berthed as safely as possible
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your right mike........
i'll see what the ins.say's.....
 
No i wouldnt be happy, but i am a yorkshire man!

At the end of the day what you going to do, argue with them, accept it, or move marina?

Its the same old story with everything, take it al and give as little back as you can. Greed everywhere!

I would ask your insurers, they may not be happy with it stuck out and liable to getting a bang!
 
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