would this worry you?

No, it was priced fully as a kosher boat. The actual repair was done expertly, and engineeringwise (apart from the not-quite-right props) the boat was fine. But when all that happens you just fall out with the seller and prefer to walk away - tis only human!

Dunno about the current owner. Actually I noticed the boat was back up for sale last year, so I'd guess owner #2 had a perfectly good time with it between 2004 and 2008. Anyone looking at 2002-3 Sq58s can PM me for the identity of the boat!

Anyway, it kinda proves you have to check carefully when buying (as you have reported on here a couple of times, from your own exploits!)
 
Yup, a boat involved in a big accident can be properly repaired as good as new but, like a car, any boat with major accident damage repair is always going to be worth less. For example this Fleming 55 is hurricane damaged repaired and is probably £300k under market price and they still can't sell it
 
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more likely the arse end of the boat was lifted up when the outdrives came into contact with the seabed. That suggests a fairly serious impact load on the outdrives.

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Will you also see the boat on the hard, before or after the sea trial?
If so, I'd look carefully at the props - if things went that way, they're bound to be newer than the boat, 'cause I don't think they could have been repaired after such grounding (particularly if s/s, but also if alu).
Unless of course also the new ones were slightly damaged purposely, to be consistent with the leg!... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Blimey, now you got me thinking!
I'm not really a Fleming fan, but I'd rather consider a hurricane damaged (most likely in the superstructure) boat, than a grounded one.
And by today standards, she could probably be bought for not much more than half a million bucks!
Mumble mumble...

PS: whoops, just noticed: 2003 boat, hurricane damage 2004, new engines in 2005.
Must've been a helluva damage, not just some windows smashed by flying trees!!!
 
Alternatively the guy may have just been a bit too ambitious going into a bay and run into a shingle bank at 2 or 3 knots.... Surely if he'd hit something at speed and pranged the outdrives it'd have been an insurance job and so the hull would've been fixed?? The leading edge of the drives will obviously show damage if they were dragged across across shingle or rock at speed. Outdrives kick up if they strike something so not sure if they'd lift the stern clear or not; I've not tried with mine /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
It's very easy to damage props. I once just touched the bottom of Poole Harbour (sand) at very slow speed with the props only and both props were so badly damaged that they had to be replaced, which was very surprising to me. I think in any grounding bad enough to scar the hull, the props would have been damaged beyong repair
 
Never touched bottom on a shaft drive boat but due to our tidal flap gate affair I have been caught going out to soon up the channel and touched bottom on a few occasions....
Ploughed a new channel once even!
Cleans the props a treat but not once have I bent a blade.
 
That depends on the kind of bottom obviously. Probably mud/sand?
If props were unaffected, so would the hull, if touching the same bottom.
 
I m sure Nick will want to be comfortable whatever way he goes on this, but I have to say, having been driving sportsboats around for the last ten years, that scratching on the hull, and catching the skeg wouldnt imply anything sinister to me. I m sure owners of flybridge boats dont drive their boats right up to the shallows, but its hardly unusual in a sportsboat- just look at any beach.
Sure, may as well check it out before proceeding, but it seems there is a difference in opinion in the answers depending on the type of boat one drives.
 
I remeber seeing a Flemming 55 up for sale a few years back just after a hurricane. It was probably this boat. It had been sunk and one part of the description stays with me. Describing each cabin, they got to one and the descritpion read, 'unable to gain entry to to amount of debris inside' or something along those line. It was in a bad way.
 
Oi, hands off. As soon as I've sold my boat, I might just get on a plane to Miami /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Alternatively the guy may have just been a bit too ambitious going into a bay and run into a shingle bank at 2 or 3 knots.... Surely if he'd hit something at speed and pranged the outdrives it'd have been an insurance job and so the hull would've been fixed?? The leading edge of the drives will obviously show damage if they were dragged across across shingle or rock at speed. Outdrives kick up if they strike something so not sure if they'd lift the stern clear or not; I've not tried with mine

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Very good point. Anything serious would have been repaired already
 
As I say I was surprised. I was just waiting at the side of the fairway just before the bend at the town quay for a freighter to pass by in the opposite direction. The wind blew the boat sideways a bit and I went astern/ahead on both engines to turn the stern of the boat back into deeper water but there was a bit of a grinding noise as the props dug into the bottom. As soon as I went ahead I realised I'd seriously damaged the props. Luckily insurance paid up
 
No wouldn't worry me. But then I'm not buying it Ha Ha.

Depends on what type of grounding. Banging about on rocks Not happy about that. Sliding onto a shingle beach, Not a problem.
 
To my untrained eyes it looks like it's run over a shingle bank at fairly low speed, definitely not planning. If planning the front would be out of the water so there would be no scratches there and I assume there is?

The scrape only goes so far up the hull and the bottom isn't ripped out so it hit something fairly soft i.e. shingle.

Another indication of low speed is the force of hitting whatever it hit stopped the boat before it had traveled it's full length. Take the earlier picture of the boat on the grass as an example, he was obviously traveling at speed and traveled a fair way when it run out of water, where as your boat looks as if it stopped before it reached the transom.

I'd build in to my offer the price of getting the bottom professional epoxied.

Kevin
 
Bit more info having chatted to the engineer that looked at the legs - There are shallow gouges on the bottom of the skeg, and some damage to the outer edges of the props. The props can be repaired without any noticable loss of performance.

Forgot to ask if they're alloy or stainless, but I think they're alloy.
 
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