Would I have been out of order, or was he just a Grumpy Old Git ?

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Heading up the Medina for Island Harbour yesterday afternoon, a bit early for the depth to rise in the approach channel just after LW, I decided to stop for about 45 minutes to let the tide increase before I approached the lock.

Just opposite East Cowes Marina was a mostly empty trot of pontoons laying on the west side of the channel. So I headed over to stop, have a cup of tea and a sandwich. But as I approached this chap immediately shouted "you can't stop here it's private". I explained the purpose of my stop but he was adamant "you must not stop - we pay for these facilities you know, you wouldn't park of some one else's drive" etc.

My view is that a berth is not a driveway, and my stopping would at best be akin to parking / waiting outside someone's house, on a public road, albeit blocking their driveway.

I did explain that my own mooring, which I pay for, is routinely used when I am away from it and I have no problem with this, indeed the vast majority of marina users will have a visitor assigned at some point or other.

I explained again why I wished to stop for a brief period, but no "the owner of the berth might return", even though I could leave at a moments notice. however, at that point I wished him well and carried on up the river until I found a suitable free mooring buoy, importantly not marked 'Private', and hung there for 45 minutes. I did not actually moor up to GOGs trot.

The HM passed me and wasn't at all concerned at my stopping there, he just waved politely as he passed by.

So had I stopped would I have been out of order, assuming said person was not there, or was he simply a Grumpy Old Git. The trot was indeed marked private.

I have to say I did suggest as much to my crew, likely loud enough to be heard, as I carried on on my way.
 
Heading up the Medina for Island Harbour yesterday afternoon, a bit early for the depth to rise in the approach channel just after LW, I decided to stop for about 45 minutes to let the tide increase before I approached the lock.

Just opposite East Cowes Marina was a mostly empty trot of pontoons laying on the west side of the channel. So I headed over to stop, have a cup of tea and a sandwich. But as I approached this chap immediately shouted "you can't stop here it's private". I explained the purpose of my stop but he was adamant "you must not stop - we pay for these facilities you know, you wouldn't park of some one else's drive" etc.

My view is that a berth is not a driveway, and my stopping would at best be akin to parking / waiting outside someone's house, on a public road, albeit blocking their driveway.

I did explain that my own mooring, which I pay for, is routinely used when I am away from it and I have no problem with this, indeed the vast majority of marina users will have a visitor assigned at some point or other.

I explained again why I wished to stop for a brief period, but no "the owner of the berth might return", even though I could leave at a moments notice. however, at that point I wished him well and carried on up the river until I found a suitable free mooring buoy, importantly not marked 'Private', and hung there for 45 minutes. I did not actually moor up to GOGs trot.

The HM passed me and wasn't at all concerned at my stopping there, he just waved politely as he passed by.

So had I stopped would I have been out of order, assuming said person was not there, or was he simply a Grumpy Old Git. The trot was indeed marked private.

I have to say I did suggest as much to my crew, likely loud enough to be heard, as I carried on on my way.
If the berth is difficult and a second attempt tricky I would be upset to find my place blocked. But if my place is empty it means I'm out on my boat so would not be there to complain. So who was the grumpy guy and what is his relation to the empty place?
 
I wonder whether you would have received the same reaction had you arrived in a saily boat. :confused:
 
I can't see that you were doing anything wrong Trevor. Thee are some who make it their life work to stop others enjoying life. Quite odd��
 
Grumpy git. You did nowt wrong Trevor. If it had been my vacant berth...I'd have no problem with that scenario.
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To clarify ~ 75m of empty pontoon, open to the river main channel, that I was looking to temporarily borrow 9.8m of, GOG was on the shore side of the same pontoon, aboard a somewhat tatty motor boat, so not a Raggie's Mobo aversion.

Wind and tide up my chuff although very gentle, if anything wind slightly on to the pontoon, so a really simple manoeuvre. Literally just stop in the water alongside the berth, a touch back on port and thats it.

A bit like a taxi pulling up to collect your neighbour across your drive, rather than some twat actually parked for the night right on it. Hey ho.
 
disagree, its somebody else's property so unless you had arranged a stop in advance with the owner, it appears not right,so you were correct to wish him well and move on. You have to put yourself in the opposite situation .
 
He was right that you can't just use someone else's mooring but if it were me and I was out it wouldn't bother me at all, in fact if someone wants to use my berth then please do as long as it's free when I return I really don't care, life's too short to get upset about things so trivial, enjoy your boating and let others do the same
 
disagree, its somebody else's property so unless you had arranged a stop in advance with the owner, it appears not right,so you were correct to wish him well and move on. You have to put yourself in the opposite situation .
I did - and I would have welcomed him and offered him a beer, hey ho.
 
disagree, its somebody else's property so unless you had arranged a stop in advance with the owner, it appears not right,so you were correct to wish him well and move on. You have to put yourself in the opposite situation .

If I were in the opposite situation it would have been fine with me so yes a Grumpy old git
 
Hi Trev,

Our name and shame conversation just before you set off to IOW must have worked then��

It's normally blue flagged boats that you need to look out for.

I'll get my coat.....
 
I guess the guy was 'technically correct' but appropriate real world response would have been to help take your lines when he heard what your intentions were. I tend to work on the basis that as boaters we are In the same fraternity so helping others out is the norm. Unfortunately, not all subscribe to that though....my pet hate is people getting grumpy when you want to raft to them in a busy place.
 
A vote for GoG, however it should be noted I stopped on one fella's mooring and moved promptly when he got back. He was very pleasant for a raggie and we got to chatting. He was saying he has terrible problems sometimes when he returns and people wont get off his mooring saying they're busy with xxx or have left the boat for an afternoon stroll whatever. He's had motorboats foul his strop and chew up his mooring buoy when caught up leaving him without a sturdy main strop for the week or so while away from the boat at home / while a new is made. He's had huge 20 ton motorboats moor onto his 3 ton rated mooring etc etc etc. Yeah SH6K met a GoG but I have some sympathy for the fella. Sometimes it's more bother than not and best just to ask all to stay off.
 
If it was the owner you were asking and he gives the OK then fine,but the chap was just looking out (in his mind ) for the owner in his absence.As others have said,they may well have got fed up to the back teeth and have had a problem with every Tom Dick and Harry wanting to hang on for only few mins etc etc.
Sounds as though the pontoons are dead handy to all passing traffic.
Once had mooring at the Kingsferry Bridge,which is notorious for a tardy reaction to anything wishing to go under and requiring a lift.
The moorings were all self laid and were lightweight to say the least basically designed for 23ft speedboat at best.
The local prison(s) had objected to any proper holding bouys near the bridge :), so with the prospect of a hours wait passing traffic used to grab hold of anything handy.
Frequently returned to find a large yacht on my mooring or in one case a yacht with my bouy chain round his prop.
Think he was so embarrassed did not even get a thanks when I managed to free the chain.
What goes around comes around as some point somebody is going to tell him to ****** *** !
 
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I think he must've been one of those rare types who are cynical about statements such as:

I'll be back in five minutes

I'll love you forever

and so on. :D
 
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