Would a boom horse look out of place on Dufour24

[Wansworth]

Whilst gardening the idea of a proper boom crutch came into my head.On the Dufour 24 there is no facility fora cockpit cover that an be used to afford shade.I was thinking that an under boom cover from the mast tothe end of the cockpit would be a good idea but there is only one backstay.With a full beam boom crutch if that’s the word would provide somewhere to spread out the cockpit tent although unfortunately as the boom stops mid cockpit some extension could be arranged.Over the boom involves getting round topping lift and lazy jacks.

Do French boats have boom horses

 

[Tranona]

No They are impractical on small(er) modern boats. Also of limited use on most boats. Their origin was for supporting the heavy boom on gaff rigged boats while reefing. Now reefing is almost universally done from the cockpit and the boom supported by a gas strut.

 

[Wansworth]

No They are impractical on small(er) modern boats. Also of limited use on most boats. Their origin was for supporting the heavy boom on gaff rigged boats while reefing. Now reefing is almost universally done from the cockpit and the boom supported by a gas strut.

Yes I accept that but how are boom tents arranged with only one backstay and booms with the main sheet I front of the companion way?

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Yes I accept that but how are boom tents arranged with only one backstay and booms with the main sheet I front of the companion way?

Perhaps secure the centre of the tent sheet as high as practically possible at both mast and backstay then the edges secured to the top guard rails. Totally impracticable for when sailing but will suffice when at anchor or lounging in the cockpit in your marina berth. When sailing wear a hat.

 

[Wansworth]

Perhaps secure the centre of the tent sheet as high as practically possible at both mast and backstay then the edges secured to the top guard rails. Totally impracticable for when sailing but will suffice when at anchor or lounging in the cockpit in your marina berth. When sailing wear a hat.

Yes that’s a possibility ,maybe a single crutch for the boom and discoectthe toppinglift and lazy jacks and run a line from the mast to the backstay.

 

[Leslie frank]

Why not sewing a boom stave into the front and back side of the cover to pole it out. Then just roll it up when not in use. Attach the edges to the guard rails

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Yes that’s a possibility ,maybe a single crutch for the boom and discoectthe toppinglift and lazy jacks and run a line from the mast to the backstay.

Why remove the topping lift and lazy jacks just rig it under the boom perhaps run a line which you can tension ( backstay willing) then hang the tent over that secured as before. A boom gallows is totally inappropriate and will become a nuisance on a 24 foot boat.

 

[LittleSister]

Yes I accept that but how are boom tents arranged with only one backstay and booms with the main sheet I front of the companion way?

With that mainsheet arrangement (I did warn you!) you've obviously bought the wrong boat and should look for another.

Seriously, though, you can create a lot more space by having the 'cockpit tent' (and/or sunshade)
(a) strung mast to backstay above the mast, as someone already suggested; and
(b) by having the top of it held out laterally by means of battens in pockets running across the boat (battens might be sail battening or simply e.g. bamboo).

Even with that/those, there is no requirement to have the boom horizontal. Cant it significantly upwards (say 40 degrees?) with the topping lift, and whether under or over the boom you could have a tall pyramid shaped space towards the rear of the cockpit.

Do you have a spinnaker pole, genoa pole or oars, and if so could they perhaps be incorporated as part of a framework?

Don't forget the shrouds as somewhere you could hang lines framework from, potentially giving additional width and or length.

 

[Wansworth]

Why remove the topping lift and lazy jacks just rig it under the boom perhaps run a line which you can tension ( backstay willing) then hang the tent over that secured as before. A boom gallows is totally inappropriate and will become a nuisance on a 24 foot boat.

Yes,that’s the front runner at the momment

 

[LittleSister]

Yes that’s a possibility ,maybe a single crutch for the boom and discoectthe toppinglift and lazy jacks and run a line from the mast to the backstay.

Have a split in the cockpit canopy to accommodate the lazy jacks etc. (or even have two separate halves so you can rig just one side if/when it suits. Try to avoid as far as possible having to disconnect things - it's all time taking and scope for tangles. Topping lift not so bad if you put in a snap shackle or other quick release, but you'll probably want that in place to lify/hold the boom.

 

[Wansworth]

With that mainsheet arrangement (I did warn you!) you've obviously bought the wrong boat and should look for another.

Seriously, though, you can create a lot more space by having the 'cockpit tent' (and/or sunshade)
(a) strung mast to backstay above the mast, as someone already suggested; and
(b) by having the top of it held out laterally by means of battens in pockets running across the boat (battens might be sail battening or simply e.g. bamboo).

Even with that/those, there is no requirement to have the boom horizontal. Cant it significantly upwards (say 40 degrees?) with the topping lift, and you could have a tall pyramid shaped space towards the rear of the cockpit.

Do you have a spinnaker pole, genoa pole or oars, and if so could they perhaps be incorporated as part of a framework?

Don't forget the shrouds as somewhere you could hang lines framework from, potentially giving additional width and or length.

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Have a split in the cockpit canopy to accommodate the lazy jacks etc. (or even have two separate halves so you can rig just one side if/when it suits. Try to avoid as far as possible having to disconnect things - it's all time taking and scope for tangles. Topping lift not so bad if you put in a snap shackle or other quick release, but you'll probably want that in place to lify/hold the boom.

A canvas cover came with the boat as yet not inspected ,hopefully next weekend we can spread it out and see what’s what.

 

[LittleSister]

Flexible fibreglass tent rods open up a range of possibilities with a different approach.

 

[LittleSister]

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A canvas cover came with the boat as yet not inspected ,hopefully next weekend we can spread it out and see what’s what.

Yes, do. I'd say keep it simple to start with and check out what you can do with that, and the shelter/shade provided, before embarking oil anything too elaborate.

You will likely get ideas, work out what coverage/space is important, etc.

A couple of Tilley Hats might prove surprisingly useful!

p.s. I am getting a distinct sense of deja vu. Didn't we all rehearse much the same in a previous thread you started on this very topic?

 

[Wansworth]

Flexible fibreglass tent rods open up a range of possibilities with a different approach.

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Some Dufour 24 have spray hoods which might be interesting to look at although unfortunately quite an expense!

 

[Wansworth]

Yes, do. I'd say keep it simple to start with and check out what you can do with that, and the shelter/shade provided, before embarking oil anything too elaborate.

You will likely get ideas, work out what coverage/space is important, etc.

A couple of Tilley Hats might prove surprisingly useful!

Yes found a Tilly hat or copyin the loft although I prefere a Panama probably not very practical although I do like to maintain standards !

 

[LittleSister]

Some Dufour 24 have spray hoods which might be interesting to look at although unfortunately quite an expense!

Sprayhoods? Are you a man or a wimp? Get yourself a Sou'wester. (I think you already have the lower, beard, part of the sprayproof ensemble?)

 

[LittleSister]

Yes found a Tilly hat or copyin the loft although I prefere a Panama probably not very practical although I do like to maintain standards !

The straps on the genuine Tilley (as well as other aspects) are good - choice of setting: no strap (tucked into the top), chin strap, or (for when the wind really pipes up) combined chin and back of neck.

 

[Wansworth]

Sprayhoods? Are you a man or a wimp? Get yourself a Sou'wester. (I think you already have the lower, beard, part of the sprayproof ensemble?)

I am a wimp although I don’t envisage boating in inclement weather a sprayhood allowed the companion way to remain open ,it’s not the best design of companion way but saves production costs backin the day but for as all boat a proper sliding hatch would have been better…..but it’s French ,what can one say!

 

[Wansworth]

The straps on the genuine Tilley (as well as other aspects) are good - choice of setting: no strap (tucked into the top), chin strap, or (for when the wind really pipes up) combined chin and back of neck.

Yes I am reminded of sailing in a dinghy with a Panama and it blew away to leeward when the wind piped up.Maybe Bouba has some guidance as he apparently wears oneof his motor boat?

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Sprayhoods? Are you a man or a wimp? Get yourself a Sou'wester. (I think you already have the lower, beard, part of the sprayproof ensemble?)

Surely a Pea jacket as recommended by Mr Cunlifffe no less perhaps accompanied by a Bretton cap ( no scrambled egg though)