Wondering the practicality og a round UK trip next year

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For most of us, even doing it through the canal is a great effort. Time, money, health is a problem many face . Does it still count if you do half one year and half the next ? It would for me.😁
Very well put. Of course it counts. If you want to race it, do so. Otherwise do it the way you feel comfortable with, and enjoy the bits you like. It's not a competition but it is an achievement however you plan and do it.
 

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Does it still count if you do half one year and half the next ?
Surely the only people who matter are the people on board? No doubt some pub bore will tell you if you didn’t sail it non strop anti-clockwise in winter it wasn’t really hard enough, whilst someone else will tell you that it would have been better in an El Nïno year anyway!
So there is a lot to be said for the canal route other than just a short cut. It is what one makes of it
I don’t think anyone who has sailed the canal would criticise it: pretty, interesting, fun, with some different technical challenges. Some people get upset about what you call a trip. I don’t care about that I just think it’s a shame if anyone going to all the effort of planning such an epic doesn’t consider taking in as much west as possible. If time, crew, health, personal interests don’t fit with that then I don’t mind anyone going around England via the Caledonian Canal. But I’ve probably spoke to about a dozen people who have done the route and then come back to the W of Scot to do all the stuff the missed because they had to press on to complete their original plan.
Get a camper van,you can still anchour (Dan fourth). ……toddle round the coast without all that messy business with sails and knots ..what’s not to like,as they say
Well it’s heaving there! The vehicle equivalent of the solent - because Instagram means everyone wants to drive that route!
 

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Surely the only people who matter are the people on board? No doubt some pub bore will tell you if you didn’t sail it non strop anti-clockwise in winter it wasn’t really hard enough, whilst someone else will tell you that it would have been better in an El Nïno year anyway!

I don’t think anyone who has sailed the canal would criticise it: pretty, interesting, fun, with some different technical challenges. Some people get upset about what you call a trip. I don’t care about that I just think it’s a shame if anyone going to all the effort of planning such an epic doesn’t consider taking in as much west as possible. If time, crew, health, personal interests don’t fit with that then I don’t mind anyone going around England via the Caledonian Canal. But I’ve probably spoke to about a dozen people who have done the route and then come back to the W of Scot to do all the stuff the missed because they had to press on to complete their original plan.

Well it’s heaving there! The vehicle equivalent of the solent - because Instagram means everyone wants to drive that route!
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For most of us, even doing it through the canal is a great effort. Time, money, health is a problem many face . Does it still count if you do half one year and half the next ? It would for me.😁
A sensible approach.

I have never set out to "sail around Britain" but have made a number of passages between south coast of England and the Northern Isles. If I aggregate them then I have sailed around Britain, Including west of St Kilda and well north of the Flugga. All except the bit from the Solent to West Bay/Bridport, but that stretch has been covered in various survey vessels.

I am on this thread as having lived in Shetland and Orkney I get a bit miffed at people trying to claim that they are not a part of Britain. HMRC definitely see their residents as being as much a part of Britain as every one else.
 

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Get a camper van,you can still anchour (Dan fourth). ……toddle round the coast without all that messy business with sails and knots ..what’s not to like,as they say
The road around the top used to be very pleasant for most of the year. That was until a marketing twit came up with the North Coast 500 campaign and turned it in to one long traffic jam for much of the summer. Parts are single track with passing places, a strange concept for many motorists.
 

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It doesn't matter how long it takes, a circumnavigation is a circumnavigation. Time restraints apply to most, whatever you do is a personal acheivement. You may realise you 'missed'some bits that could be interesting and later return. It may have scratched the itch.

A Full circumnavigation of the UK, to include Muckle Flugga ( sorry obsessed), would take a FULL summer ie early May until late September to do justice and still leave voids to return to! Ask Concerto. The West Coast od Scotland can take years to fully explore.

A one season circumnavigation will give you an idea of where you would like to return to and spend time getting to know.

The Crinan and Caledonian canals are experiences not to be missed and you would unfortunately 'miss' on a full circumnavigation. They should be included in the been there, seen that and done it. Unique experiences.
 

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A sensible approach.

I have never set out to "sail around Britain" but have made a number of passages between south coast of England and the Northern Isles. If I aggregate them then I have sailed around Britain, Including west of St Kilda and well north of the Flugga. All except the bit from the Solent to West Bay/Bridport, but that stretch has been covered in various survey vessels.

I am on this thread as having lived in Shetland and Orkney I get a bit miffed at people trying to claim that they are not a part of Britain. HMRC definitely see their residents as being as much a part of Britain as every one else.
I can't be bothered to get miffed about nations and all that, but Jersey equally claims to be part of the 'British Isles'.
Is Rockall part of Scotland in your opinion?

When I lived in Southampton, I did have to point out that a club member's 'circumnavigation' had omitted the Isle of Wight! :)

In my view, whatever shortcuts anyone takes, the trick is to enjoy the last quarter, many Solent -based boats seem to struggle with this, having run out of spare days and failing to enthuse about the East coast. It's a bit like the last quarter of the Round the Island Race.

Having walked some of the Caledonian Canal, I'd quite like to sail it one day.
 

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Is Rockall part of Scotland in your opinion?
IIRC it was Tony Blair who sent a party of Royal Marines to camp on the rock for a few days and claim it for Britain. The Irish were a bit miffed at that. As it is uninhabitable its just a political pawn for offshore rights.

Jersey may claim to be part of the British Isles but it has a different political and legal system to Britain. Orkney and Shetland are an integral part of the British political and legal systems, hence are British (until such time as Norway/Denmark chooses to pay off Margaret's dowry mortgage of 1472).
 

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Blimey, does every discussion of a "round Britain" trip have to descend into an endless, pointless arguement about the definition of "Britain", "The UK" and so on?

Bring back an anchoring thread I say!

P.S I sailed around the Mull of Kintyre from the north (tick) and then up & back on the Crinan - best of both worlds!
 

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IIRC it was Tony Blair who sent a party of Royal Marines to camp on the rock for a few days and claim it for Britain. The Irish were a bit miffed at that. As it is uninhabitable its just a political pawn for offshore rights.

Jersey may claim to be part of the British Isles but it has a different political and legal system to Britain. Orkney and Shetland are an integral part of the British political and legal systems, hence are British (until such time as Norway/Denmark chooses to pay off Margaret's dowry mortgage of 1472).
You are of course remembering that Scottish Law is in many ways different from the English variety. Our political system is also substantially different. I won't go into detail in case it's classed as Current Affairs. 😀
 

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You are of course remembering that Scottish Law is in many ways different from the English variety. Our political system is also substantially different. I won't go into detail in case it's classed as Current Affairs. 😀
Indeed I am:
"British political and legal systems," - Note the plural "systems".
But if you really want to get a headache look up "Udal Law" and its applications in the northern isles resulting in involved legal disputes over coastal development licences.
 

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Indeed I am:
"British political and legal systems," - Note the plural "systems".
But if you really want to get a headache look up "Udal Law" and its applications in the northern isles resulting in involved legal disputes over coastal development licences.
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Blimey, does every discussion of a "round Britain" trip have to descend into an endless, pointless arguement about the definition of "Britain", "The UK" and so on?
Having done the full round Britain singlehanded, I can honestly say that anyone who uses the Caledonian Canal still has completed an epic voyage compared to most sailors. If they want to call it round Britain, it does not bother me as I just say you took the short cut. :D
 

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Reminds me of the pilgramidge to Santiago,pilgrims have to get a stamp in a booklet to show they have followed the correct path and ticked all the boxes……defeating the very thing the pilgrimage was about …self inner knowledge ,searching of😂
 

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Having done the full round Britain singlehanded, I can honestly say that anyone who uses the Caledonian Canal still has completed an epic voyage compared to most sailors. If they want to call it round Britain, it does not bother me as I just say you took the short cut. :D
Would you say you had gone round the mull of kintyre if you had cut through the crinan canal? Same logic.
 

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Would you say you had gone round the mull of kintyre if you had cut through the crinan canal? Same logic.
Everyone makes choices and every journey can be described as challenge. Not having used either canal I cannot personally comment. but both canals should be on a list to experience in their own right. There were places I planned to visit last year, but due to weather conditions and time constraits, I had to leave some of them out, which hopefully I will visit in the next few years.

Every journey really revolves around the confidence of the skipper in their boat. I enjoy long day sails followed by a day or two visting places ashore. I have no requirement to keep a crew satisfied with food, drink and entertainment, but many cruisers do and this adjusts their choices of places to visit. Sailing around the top of the UK is a much bigger undertaking than most are prepared to commit to (750 extra miles roughly), but I certainly do not decry anyone who uses the Caledonian Canal.
 

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Surely it depends on what you're claiming to circumnavigate...?

"Round British Isles": Pass north of Shetland, west of Outer Hebrides & west of Ireland (implies rounding Rockall and/or St Kilda and passing south of the Isle of Wight?)
"Round UK": As above but I guess you could pass through the Irish Canals instead of rounding Mizen Head?
"Round Great Britain": Doesn't necessarily include Orkney & Shetland, (implies passage through Pentland Firth, Minches, Irish Sea?),
"Round England": passage through Caledonian or Forth & Clyde canal.

Can't help feeling that claiming a loop through the Cally as a "Round Britain" implies Britain=England.

Topologically speaking... if you define your home port as Cowes and sail round the IoW leaving it to starboard, haven't you just circumnavigated Britain (along with the rest of the world) to port?
 

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"Round Great Britain": Doesn't necessarily include Orkney & Shetland, (implies passage through Pentland Firth, Minches, Irish Sea?),
Really ?? Please provide your official references that exclude Scotland's Western Isles, Orkney and Shetland from Great Britain.

When a resident of Shetland my passport was (and still is) for a citizen of "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". It would seem that the government regards Great Britain as all of Britain except Northern Ireland and that obviously includes the Northern and Western Isles.

The passage you describe is simply around the "British Mainland", a significant passage in itself.
 

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Really ?? Please provide your official references that exclude Scotland's Western Isles, Orkney and Shetland from Great Britain.

When a resident of Shetland my passport was (and still is) for a citizen of "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". It would seem that the government regards Great Britain as all of Britain except Northern Ireland and that obviously includes the Northern and Western Isles.

The passage you describe is simply around the "British Mainland", a significant passage in itself.

I don't disagree; hence my "necessarily" and partly why my post was littered with question marks: I've just never seen or heard someone talk of a "round British mainland" trip... it is pretty common usage to see people refer (incorrectly) to Great Britain as "the large island that includes..." or "an island..." (Wikipedia).

If that's your only gripe with my post, I'll take it as an endorsement! :)
 
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