Winner of the Amsterdam Boat Show boat of the year award

[Dyflin]

The Saffier 32ft. (ok, joint winner)

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What does the panel think of this boat? Is this a critics/judges response to trends in AWB design?

http://www.saffierjachten.com/Engels/Saffier-32/32-algemeen.htm

 

[Koeketiene]

I think this is the first indication that you can take the "floating caravan" concept only so far.
Welcome back common sense.

A boat should look like a boat - not a floating box from IKEA.

Hope others will follow.

 

[LymingtonPugwash]

Is it significant that a Dutch boat wins the award at the Amsterdam Boat show? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

But even on their website there's not much real info to go on... no underwater pics or line drawings, no real in depth specs.... so apart from saying that she certainly looks pleasent enough in the pics, it's hard to judge her..... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Is that a fair comment?

 

[TimDaniel]

A hint of a pretty sheerline ..... better than your average 'fridge/freezer/washing machine style of AWB.

 

[Norman_E]

The first of the boat tests linked from their website has much more detail including a drawing which reveals a fin keel with bulb, a saildrive and a spade rudder. The interior plan reveals a crosswise double bunk under the cockpit, and a fairly small saloon to allow for a reasonable forecabin. Basic price in Holland is €123,500 and a "standaard luxeprijs" of €145,000 both including tax. I cannot translate the specification but it looks likely that it would cost over £100,000 to get one fully equipped, which is a quite a lot for a 32 footer. I have to say that it does look pretty good and the magazine review only seems to have found a couple of bad points and plenty of good ones.

 

[Guest]

Interesting looking but so far as you can tell from the pics, still seems to have rather overblown topsides. Perhaps still pandering too much to the caravan market? But you can't really tell from 3 pics!

 

[Twister_Ken]

I suspect it would look much chunkier from windward. Still too much boat on the water, and not enough in it.

 

[Dyflin]

Here's a comparison of drawings with other 32 footers.

Jeanneau SO 32i

 

[jimi]

Lovely roach

 

[PeteCooper]

The hull looks like a stretched Westerly Tiger. It seems expensive for what it is and isn't sleek enough to look like a modern classic.

 

[Aja]

Carefully prepared on an old copy of 'Moving Waves'?

Donald

 

[Bajansailor]

The Saffier does look rather nice on her own - but when you compare her against the Contessa 32, the Contessa is infinitely more attractive in all respects, IMHO.
And the Contessa has a skeg hung rudder......

 

[jimi]

Good to see you're Focussed ;-)

 

[Aja]

It was either that or Radar Love..........

Ah! as they say BBMs......

All in the past. Chucked smoking two weeks ago.....

Donald

 

[Guest]

I think the Contessa drawing has been squashed up sideways in Photogshop from the original lines at some point. Don't have the original drawings to hand, but the hull is a bit more sleek than the drawing shows!

 

[Koeketiene]

Co 32's more attractive.
She's also more cramped and wet in a blow. The wife refered to our (1/2) Contessa as "The submarine" and refused to set a foot aboard if the forecast was for anything more than a F4 and only ever spent the night once.

 

[doug748]

The Contessa length/beam ratio looks ok. She is in fact rather beamier than the side elevation often suggests. The Jeanneau needs beefing up, I think. I rather like the Dutch boat, but would prefer an encapsulated keel and no oval ports thanks.

 

[Guest]

Yup the plan from above looks about right. I suspect it may partly be an optical illusion - the original design waterline is quite a way below where in reality they sit in the water (design draft is I think 1.65m, but the reality is more like 1.9m), so the drawing gives the impression of higher topsides than in practise.

I wonder if practise has changed in this respect to give line drawings to show the yacht loaded - more flattering to yachts with high topsides?

 

[awol]

Ah, that explains why I had a wee discussion with the Scottish Waterways chappie about the depth of the Clyde/Carron canal - he claimed a min of 1.8m and I had hit bottom.

 

[jb2006]

Looks like quite a nice boat in a tubby way - I suspect if you sailed them back to back you might find out why the Elan340 is the European Yacht of the Year in this size range and this is the Clog of the year. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif