will this actually work

sell the mobo

SimonA said:
Bargain! I don't think my mrs would be too happy if I bought the slug, I already have 2 boats - sailing dinghy at home and old river mobo in marina. I enjoyed the day out on the slug though.
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become a sailor

this is one of simons images from that day - it was the wash at spring lows - an amazing place

http://www.keepturningleft.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/1375.jpg

he wrote a report of our day afloat

http://www.weddingphotojournalist.co.uk/blog/?p=1191
 
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Twister_Ken said:
He's wasted on photographing weddings!
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I agree with the sentiment

although.....

think about it for a minute

photographing weddings is much harder than doing boats

it requires quick thinking, a strong personality, fantastic organisational skills, the ability to make some comparatively unnatractive women look thoroughly beddable and to not cock it all up

I have only ever filmed two weddings

both for friends or relatives

found it all rediculously stressfu

I really enjoyed our day on the wash with a bloke who knows how to use light

it was a dull old day

made me look like an absolute drunkard at the helm of the slug though

Dylan
 
dylanwinter said:
I fear I have bought just that

some indication of the success, or otherwise, of the tunnel is that I beleive that most Minstrel and Liberty owners use long shaft outboards

and if tunnels were all that brilliant then you would see more of them

however, we shall see

I do know that the previous owner tried his 2hp mariner on it and said it was fine - but the engine has no reverse

the honda can turn around in the tunnel so I may have reverse

Dylan
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Or perhaps because they fit more powerful engines, with larger props than the "tunnel" can accommodate.

The recommended engine is I believe 5Hp.. I'd ceratinly not want anything smaller on a boat that size going to sea . You need an engine that is powerful enough to maintain a good speed through the water against a strong wind and waves or if the tide against you as well you go nowhere, if not actually backwards.

I've seen people struggle with a 4hp on a 19 ft boat!

My guess is that an engine powerful enough will have a prop/ gearbox that wont pivot in the space of the tunnel so a reverse gear will also be a requirement but I'd also guess that all 5hp and above do have reverse gear.


Having said that there is a problem with the engine or its mounting on these boats.
I know someone who bought one ( a very late Minstrel with a Sloop rig IIRC) After doing a lot of work on it he sold it again after only a couple of years use due largely to the engine problem.
If I see him I'll ask about it but I think he may now have given up boat ownership anyway.
 
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VicS said:
Or perhaps because they fit more powerful engines, with larger props than the "tunnel" can accommodate.

The recommended engine is I believe 5Hp.. I'd ceratinly not want anything smaller on a boat that size going to sea . You need an engine that is powerful enough to maintain a good speed through the water against a strong wind and waves or if the tide against you as well you go nowhere, if not actually backwards.

I've seen people struggle with a 4hp on a 19 ft boat!

My guess is that an engine powerful enough will have a prop/ gearbox that wont pivot in the space of the tunnel so a reverse gear will also be a requirement but I'd also guess that all 5hp and above do have reverse gear.


Having said that there is a problem with the engine or its mounting on these boats.
I know someone who bought one ( a very late Minstrel with a Sloop rig IIRC) After doing a lot of work on it he sold it again after only a couple of years use due largely to the engine problem.
If I see him I'll ask about it but I think he may now have given up boat ownership anyway.
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and on that bombshell.........

(Alan Partidge)
 
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Congratulations Dylan. Looks great and not a bad price with a good trailer. I've been on a hunter liberty - twin unstayed mast version - which sailed well. I wouldn't personally bother about changing the heads curtain to a solid door. As you generally sail solo, why do you need to close the door?
 
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ghostlymoron said:
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Congratulations Dylan. Looks great and not a bad price with a good trailer. I've been on a hunter liberty - twin unstayed mast version - which sailed well. I wouldn't personally bother about changing the heads curtain to a solid door. As you generally sail solo, why do you need to close the door?
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it is double what I have ever spent on a boat before

I hope it will be cheaper to run than the slug

as for the zippy curtain

it will go because

Jill wants it done

although the loos are always the loo of last resort

Dylan
 
Dylan,

as someone else remarked I'd have thought the protected prop would suit you well, perhaps more than the average user.

As I expect you're aware Tohatsu do a 6hp 4 stroke with saildrive prop, remote tank & uprated charging coil; not used one myself but it sounds spot on, no idea of the price.

Agree 100% re wedding photography, have done 3 for friends and it took years off my life...
 
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Seajet said:
Dylan,

as someone else remarked I'd have thought the protected prop would suit you well, perhaps more than the average user.

As I expect you're aware Tohatsu do a 6hp 4 stroke with saildrive prop, remote tank & uprated charging coil; not used one myself but it sounds spot on, no idea of the price.

Agree 100% re wedding photography, have done 3 for friends and it took years off my life...
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the plan is to use a little honda for exploring creeks and moving around harbours and use a bigger one for the longer coastal hops

that way I can leave the engine running with the iller pilot in charge and go and sit with my feet in the anchor well and my bum on the forward edge of the cabin.

I have my eye on that Tohatsu - it pumps out double the charge of the others

Dylan

PS I have had some interest in the slug already so perhaps the swap over will happen sooner rather than later
 
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An outboard will use more fuel than a diesel and won't charge your vast array of camera batteries. Solar panel could work then charge off boat battery.
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So that'll be a long-term test of a 5hp o/b with charging, a long-term test of a solar panel, and a long-term test of a wind genny. Better stay on good terms with PBO, Dylan!
 
tiller over the top

surekandoo said:
Would it be possible to use a long shaft motor on some sort of sliding/lifting arrangement?

That way you could have the prop outside the tunnel in deep water and raise it for creek crawling.

I don't think 2hp is going to give you enough umph though.
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it might get in the way of the tiller

the long one will be vulnerable

but the Honda pushed the slug along at four knots

I reckon this boat weighs about the same as the slug and is probably a bit slipperyiar

less under the water that is for sure

most of my creek crawling is done drifting up with the tide and back against it, small stuff

hence the idea of two engines

Dylan
 
I am sure they are

Twister_Ken said:
Not good for your back, though. 5hps are quite weighty.
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that is true

I hope I will not be swapping them over on a daily basis

but in places like wells around the harbour where the 2.3 hp will work I can take the engine out and put it in the cabin out of site

meanwhile the other engine will hopefully spend most of its life stowed away - probably in the after end of the quarter berth

also better to handle a 5hp in a well than hanging over the transom


Dylan
 
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Hi Dylan
I think that with a bit of experience you will end up using just one engine and my guess is that you will find the Honda adequate. The bigger boat will be easier to push along at 4 or 5 knots than the smaller boat due to longer WL. You will find that the head winds and big seas are the killers of boat speed . Hopefully you can sail faster than motor. I think you will find the tunnel arrangement quite good. Perhaps more drag for sailing but good for shallow water.
Anyway you have bought the boat now get out and try it out in real life. Sorry I would change the rig to a tall fractional rig rather than gunter but maybe that is just me. I like to sail and sail fast.
From experience of racing at our club an 18fter is mostly really slow compared to the 22fters the length really makes a difference. Not so much 22 compared to 30fter. I think you will be pleased with overall added speed. good luck olewill
 
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