halcyon
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Re: Winter specs .....
Now if they had been driving the old BMC mini, you would not have needed to tow them.
Brian
Now if they had been driving the old BMC mini, you would not have needed to tow them.
Brian
Will the marine world follow the 4x4 trend?
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Confused why ?
M&S are not true winter tyres ... they are a compromise.
Over here in baltics - as in other Northern areas with the winters we have ... you have Summer, M&S and true winter.
The cuts you mention for grip - true, but there are also provisions in the tread to remove as best as possible the water film that is caused by the footprints pressure ... if the water is not removed - the cuts .... actually similar idea to the razor cuts in soles of Docksider shoes ... as I'm told !! would have problem to work.
Studded tyres are with or without ... you have a choice. Over here most studded are not supplied studded - they are "gunned" in on your request or tyres are made up on premises ready for demand.
Studded tyres also are generally misunderstood .... they do not do anything for a vehicle that is already moving at speed - the studs actually get pressed back into the tyre .... it is when the vehicle is starting off or moving at slow speed - then the stud has chance to work. On bare road without snow or ice - they are interesting as the tyres wear down !! They get very noisy and you hear odd ones hitting the wheel arches as they fly out !!
Anyone travelling out of Baltic to south - and has studded tyres - has to go through border stations where they extract the studs ... happened to 2 people I know. There was talk a couple of years back that we would have to comply with EU that studs were banned ... that was argued and successfully retained for us to use.
The tyre compound is a) softer to take the extreme colds .... -30C etc., b) I am told along with the above by the Pirelli rep who supplies my company that silicon is added to some tyres - not all ... it depends on the amount of synthetic rubber to natural as well as other "ingredients".
I'm only passing on from the Pirelli guy what he tells me ... so don't shoot the messenger !! (Tyre types ... I know from actual buying and seeing the different types .... S, M&S, W)
M&S are not true winter tyres ... they are a compromise.
Over here in baltics - as in other Northern areas with the winters we have ... you have Summer, M&S and true winter.
The cuts you mention for grip - true, but there are also provisions in the tread to remove as best as possible the water film that is caused by the footprints pressure ... if the water is not removed - the cuts .... actually similar idea to the razor cuts in soles of Docksider shoes ... as I'm told !! would have problem to work.
Studded tyres are with or without ... you have a choice. Over here most studded are not supplied studded - they are "gunned" in on your request or tyres are made up on premises ready for demand.
Studded tyres also are generally misunderstood .... they do not do anything for a vehicle that is already moving at speed - the studs actually get pressed back into the tyre .... it is when the vehicle is starting off or moving at slow speed - then the stud has chance to work. On bare road without snow or ice - they are interesting as the tyres wear down !! They get very noisy and you hear odd ones hitting the wheel arches as they fly out !!
Anyone travelling out of Baltic to south - and has studded tyres - has to go through border stations where they extract the studs ... happened to 2 people I know. There was talk a couple of years back that we would have to comply with EU that studs were banned ... that was argued and successfully retained for us to use.
The tyre compound is a) softer to take the extreme colds .... -30C etc., b) I am told along with the above by the Pirelli rep who supplies my company that silicon is added to some tyres - not all ... it depends on the amount of synthetic rubber to natural as well as other "ingredients".
I'm only passing on from the Pirelli guy what he tells me ... so don't shoot the messenger !! (Tyre types ... I know from actual buying and seeing the different types .... S, M&S, W)
Neddie_Seagoon
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Re: \"There is no such thing as \"society\"?
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The UK railway system leaves me with no real alternative.
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Do you have railways in Suffolk??
Anyway the answer is telecommuting. What do you mean you can't, pathetic excuse.
Steve
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The UK railway system leaves me with no real alternative.
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Do you have railways in Suffolk??
Anyway the answer is telecommuting. What do you mean you can't, pathetic excuse.
Steve
Mirelle
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Re: \"There is no such thing as \"society\"?
Yes, we have a railway. Runs past the end of my garden. But it won't get me to our office in East London by 9.00, no matter how early I start, and would need 4 changes. It's not much better at getting me to our office in Felixstowe - I can cycle there in less time.
Beeching wanted to close it, but he was told not to, because of nuclear fuel deliveries to Sizewell.
Oh, since I am an environmental bandit, I should also own up to a British Seagull!
Yes, we have a railway. Runs past the end of my garden. But it won't get me to our office in East London by 9.00, no matter how early I start, and would need 4 changes. It's not much better at getting me to our office in Felixstowe - I can cycle there in less time.
Beeching wanted to close it, but he was told not to, because of nuclear fuel deliveries to Sizewell.
Oh, since I am an environmental bandit, I should also own up to a British Seagull!
AJW
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Re: \"There is no such thing as \"society\"?
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The UK railway system leaves me with no real alternative.
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Do you have railways in Suffolk??
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Not after Dr Beeching....
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The UK railway system leaves me with no real alternative.
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Do you have railways in Suffolk??
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Not after Dr Beeching....
Mirelle
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Re: \"There is no such thing as \"society\"?
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The UK railway system leaves me with no real alternative.
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Do you have railways in Suffolk??
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Not after Dr Beeching....
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Ain't that the truth!
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The UK railway system leaves me with no real alternative.
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Do you have railways in Suffolk??
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Not after Dr Beeching....
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Ain't that the truth!
Neddie_Seagoon
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Re: \"There is no such thing as \"society\"?
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But it won't get me to our office in East London by 9.00, no matter how early I start, and would need 4 changes. It's not much better at getting me to our office in Felixstowe
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Ouch, I couldn't do it. Part of why I started refusing London-based consulting assignments about 15 years ago (used to live near Cambridge). Why waste your life in the car, time for a change! I have a journey of eight rural miles to work, 15 minutes tops. I could treble my income in London but it just ain't worth it. And 10K per annum is about right for my mileage.
Steve
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But it won't get me to our office in East London by 9.00, no matter how early I start, and would need 4 changes. It's not much better at getting me to our office in Felixstowe
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Ouch, I couldn't do it. Part of why I started refusing London-based consulting assignments about 15 years ago (used to live near Cambridge). Why waste your life in the car, time for a change! I have a journey of eight rural miles to work, 15 minutes tops. I could treble my income in London but it just ain't worth it. And 10K per annum is about right for my mileage.
Steve
Mirelle
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Re: \"There is no such thing as \"society\"?
You are dead right. Future plans very much along those lines.
You are dead right. Future plans very much along those lines.
Mirelle
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My business here is done...
I was not "sitting in judgement" - I was observing a trend.
And now I'm off sailing.
I shall probably consume a litre of diesel, another of paraffin and a litre of petrol in the process. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Meanwhile, China adds a coal burning power station and a million tons of new steelmaking capacity every week...
I was not "sitting in judgement" - I was observing a trend.
And now I'm off sailing.
I shall probably consume a litre of diesel, another of paraffin and a litre of petrol in the process. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Meanwhile, China adds a coal burning power station and a million tons of new steelmaking capacity every week...
Toryboy1
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Re: My business here is done...
if you can't work this out. you have no business being in this thread-
Porsche Cayenne+Bromley=Tosser
if you can't work this out. you have no business being in this thread-
Porsche Cayenne+Bromley=Tosser
halcyon
Well-Known Member
Re: \"There is no such thing as \"society\"?
Gave up that travelling lark years ago.
Get up, take dogs a run, then go upstairs for office work, downstairs for production, or over the field to go sailing.
Brian
Gave up that travelling lark years ago.
Get up, take dogs a run, then go upstairs for office work, downstairs for production, or over the field to go sailing.
Brian
Signed Out
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Re: \"There is no such thing as \"society\"?
Mine's a bipolar lifestyle- one month cycling, sailing and pretty much living a low energy life, the next I'm flying to work at raping the North Sea to feed your Cayennes.
Curious... Just read Craggy_Steve's post and noticed him use the word "treble" in the triple context, and got me thinking- I never realised this was actually correct, but looking it up, found it is (was thinking same a few days ago, this just pushed me into action). Could this be an American useage? Thinking this, as in some US books, I've recently been badgered by "obligated" where I'd expect obliged, and "burglarised" in place of burgled- both of which are extremely ugly.
Ponderous, and totally off thread, Jem.
Mine's a bipolar lifestyle- one month cycling, sailing and pretty much living a low energy life, the next I'm flying to work at raping the North Sea to feed your Cayennes.
Curious... Just read Craggy_Steve's post and noticed him use the word "treble" in the triple context, and got me thinking- I never realised this was actually correct, but looking it up, found it is (was thinking same a few days ago, this just pushed me into action). Could this be an American useage? Thinking this, as in some US books, I've recently been badgered by "obligated" where I'd expect obliged, and "burglarised" in place of burgled- both of which are extremely ugly.
Ponderous, and totally off thread, Jem.
Neddie_Seagoon
Well-Known Member
Re: \"There is no such thing as \"society\"?
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I never realised this was actually correct, but looking it up, found it is
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Oh you sad, sad man /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Single, double, treble, quadruple? Nah, I'll have a pint. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Steve
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I never realised this was actually correct, but looking it up, found it is
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Oh you sad, sad man /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Single, double, treble, quadruple? Nah, I'll have a pint. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Steve
Signed Out
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Re: \"There is no such thing as \"society\"?
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Long periods of boredom do this to me... Get carried away with opinionorisingation and pedanticism.
I'll join you in that pint.
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Long periods of boredom do this to me... Get carried away with opinionorisingation and pedanticism.
I'll join you in that pint.
jenku
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Re: Winter specs .....
HAHA, I was just about trying to find some picture like that from here, but you made the point perfectly.
HAHA, I was just about trying to find some picture like that from here, but you made the point perfectly.
jenku
Well-Known Member
Re: Confused why ?
Studded tyres are mainly an environmental disaster. Research here has shown that the biggest part of pollution in the Stockholm air is particles (metal) from studded tyres. They cause death when used on bare roads! This is why studded tyres now are extra taxed in Oslo. Yes, that's in Norway. The are really only of use in rural areas where there is no winter plowing services at all. Sweden also has a law forbidding use of summer tyres during the winter months, but the authorities do recommend non-studded winter tyres for non-rural ares.
Also I think you are confusing M&S with "all-year-round-tyres" of the kind they sell in Germany (and maybe the UK as well). M&S really are the real winter tyres (at least here they are). It is a fact though that there is no real standard about what a tyre should be like to be labelled M&S. So maybe we are both right anyway.
Studded tyres are mainly an environmental disaster. Research here has shown that the biggest part of pollution in the Stockholm air is particles (metal) from studded tyres. They cause death when used on bare roads! This is why studded tyres now are extra taxed in Oslo. Yes, that's in Norway. The are really only of use in rural areas where there is no winter plowing services at all. Sweden also has a law forbidding use of summer tyres during the winter months, but the authorities do recommend non-studded winter tyres for non-rural ares.
Also I think you are confusing M&S with "all-year-round-tyres" of the kind they sell in Germany (and maybe the UK as well). M&S really are the real winter tyres (at least here they are). It is a fact though that there is no real standard about what a tyre should be like to be labelled M&S. So maybe we are both right anyway.
jenku
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But this one is a beauty! And I am sure it will make the bad french douanes think twice!
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Re: Confused why ? ....... sorry
Drive round here with M&S and you'll soon understand the difference tween a real winter tyre and the compromise M&S. I have used M&S this last summer and previous winter .... in fact my XC is on M&S Pirelli Scorpion ST's now ... they will be OFF before winter law comes in. I do not wish to be a statistic.
We have distinct tyre classes here : Summer, M&S and Winter. Each then has sub-classes depending on terrain / area you want to drive. M&S are definitely not true winter tyres here .... Brands available as examples : Pirelli, Nokia, Barum, Bridgstone, Dunlop, Good Year, Firestone etc. - in fact we have most same as you would have .... with of course some eastern block stuff - which are good winter stuff - but I wouldn't use for summer.
As to studs - difference of staying on road or going for a uninvited slide .... I know what I would choose.
Drive round here with M&S and you'll soon understand the difference tween a real winter tyre and the compromise M&S. I have used M&S this last summer and previous winter .... in fact my XC is on M&S Pirelli Scorpion ST's now ... they will be OFF before winter law comes in. I do not wish to be a statistic.
We have distinct tyre classes here : Summer, M&S and Winter. Each then has sub-classes depending on terrain / area you want to drive. M&S are definitely not true winter tyres here .... Brands available as examples : Pirelli, Nokia, Barum, Bridgstone, Dunlop, Good Year, Firestone etc. - in fact we have most same as you would have .... with of course some eastern block stuff - which are good winter stuff - but I wouldn't use for summer.
As to studs - difference of staying on road or going for a uninvited slide .... I know what I would choose.
PeterGee
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It's not, it the divies that drive them. (Hiding now)
Lakesailor
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Re: Winter specs .....
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Now if they had been driving the old BMC mini, you would not have needed to tow them.
Brian
[/ QUOTE ] I remember one of those bad winters (Was it '76, or maybe'79?) when I passed two stricken landovers in snow drifts going up a hill between Skidby and Little Weighton in East Yorkshire. I was driving my mini van.
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Now if they had been driving the old BMC mini, you would not have needed to tow them.
Brian
[/ QUOTE ] I remember one of those bad winters (Was it '76, or maybe'79?) when I passed two stricken landovers in snow drifts going up a hill between Skidby and Little Weighton in East Yorkshire. I was driving my mini van.