Will the marine world follow the 4x4 trend?

Re: Protest Too Much?

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Why do people get so excitable about other peoples cars?

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'Cos people do, thats why loads of car mags are sold.

My post was intended to be (IM (humble) O) an analysis of how the 4 X 4 market has evolved, if you want to own one, then that is your choice, I didnt critise choice.

I remember back in the 80's (yes I can remember that far back) it was the GTI that came in for all the stick, remember? Where are you likely to find a Golf GTI?

1 On the pavement outside an estate agents.

2 In a disabled bay (that'll be Brendan)

3 In a ditch

...there were loads but thats all I can remember.
 
Will the marine world follow?

I'm sure there are plenty of 'Blue-water cruisers' that have never been out of sight of land.
 
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The main feature is that they are a motor vehicle capable of transporting people and goods, legally, on our roads. They are transport. These fatuous arguments about being a danger driving on the road to "ordinary" road users. Pardon?
Last time I looked it was still legal to buy a 4x4 and the last several MOTs the Jeep, Rav4 and CRV passed with no trouble.

There's a bloke up the road has a Porsche, but he only drives around slowly and our elderly next-door neighbours have a 4 seater, but only ever use 2 seats. Bugger me, a fisherman across the road has a pick-up, but I've never seen him carry anything!

What is your fixation with other people's motives for buying cars. Does it extend to their TVs, washing machines, mobile phones. Does everyone have to make full use of every facility of everything they own?


What happened to free choice?

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You're totally free to choose a 4x4. You're also free to choose to ignore the screams of small children and puppies as you drive over them on the pavement /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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So name any other item/product/purchase where the main feature (and therefore benefit) being purchased is (as good as) never used. Thats my logic, thats my case. Whats yours again ....


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Liferafts?
 
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Down here the pavements are reserved solely for our green friends on their bikes, you know the same ones that are red/green colour blind at traffic lights and use the pedestrian crossings to switch pavements.
 
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So are big Mercedes, BMWs, Jaguars, Rolls Royces, Ferraris, etc etc. So what, are they on your hit list too?

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It's not quite a hit list - but many of the same issues apply to other cars too.

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See my post replying to Mirelle, ours is smaller than a Mondeo let alone luxury cars.

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None of which are particularly appropriate for taking little Johnny to school /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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a) Children cannot see over standard cars either, they could look through the windows of either but did they not read the green cross code?
b) Use the crossings! Where I live there are pedestrian crossings with lights every 100m or so, why do people chose to cross from between cars or behind buses.

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Where do you live? Not many residential streets in London have pedestrian crossings or lights at all - let alone every 100m.

I would say most children of 10+ are capable of seeing (and equally important being seen) over a family saloon - Most adults will not be seen over a big 4x4 or people carrier.

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If you don't tailgate it will not be a problem.

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Of course it's a problem - I find driving behind a van or 4x4 much more stressful because you have to be ready to react to the brake lights immediately - and when they do come on

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Do you have figures to prove that? I would like to see them.

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Try google - a good modern saloon will stop from 60 in 110-115 feet, a Toyota Landcruiser takes 140 feet
 
Re: Brown-ricers whinge

"You're totally free to choose a 4x4. You're also free to choose to ignore the screams of small children and puppies as you drive over them on the pavement "


Nah

The diesel makes that much noise you never hear them

Before I was married I was heavily into X country Land Rover rallies. At that time it was considered fairly eccentric and and attracted some odd characters (even odder than me)

One chap was driving home from the pub In his Landy after a pretty good night.

Walking down the road was a nice lady with a poodle on a lead. The poodle needed a crap and the lady pushed it into the side of the road so no crap on pavement.

This character in the landy manged to drive straight over the poodle - killed the poor thing outright.

Nice lady was considerbly shocked at seeing her little dog turned to gory mush before her eyes.

Landy man walked up to her, looked at the remains of the dog, reached in his pocket and in the broadest of Yorkshire accents

"eeh lass, ah'm reet sorry about thi dog, sither, heres a fiver, go buy thissen another"

He pushed the fiver into her hand and drove away.

He genuinely thought he'd done the decent thing.

Must admit, last I heard of him he was in jail.
 
Re: London whinger

Am I the only one who daily has to interact with ''Chelsea Tractor''(A most peculiar sub species of finely engineered and useful 4x4) ?
If anyone shows me a dirty wheelarched 4x4 with residential parking
permit or even one with a scratched up towbar fitted,anywhere from Westminster to Putney,north or south of the river Thames,here in London ..well,I will feel less pity for the sad f,,,z that potter between house,trendy butcher and yummy schools,cell phone clamped to ear .Outside every school traffic crawls at 3.30 because they are crap at parking-and judging by the number of parking permits visible these really are what mayor 'Red Ken' would prescribe as totally unneccessary journeys.,London simply grinds to a crawl because they simply stop where they wish,they don't/cannot/darenot park.
So excessively wide vehicles driven in an offhand manner,alwats immaculate and driven invariably by vacuous,status conscious peeps-or the aupair!-yup,thats a very easy cliche to have a field day with.
A shame really because there are some superbly engineered 4x4s out there.
Expect within the next 2-3 years to see the inner London 4x4 status symbol tp quietly fade away,possible trendy replacements to include Smart cars and dualfuel hybrids
 
Re: Protest Too Much?

It's horses for courses - a car that is appropriate for driving round the Lake District may be totally inappropriate for a city setting.
 
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It's not quite a hit list - but many of the same issues apply to other cars too.


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So once you have finished attacking the 4x4s you will move on to the other cars you don't approve of. Bit like the anti fox hunting mob now going after fishermen then.

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None of which are particularly appropriate for taking little Johnny to school

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Well if you now say NO car is appropriate for taking kids to school we might just agree on something

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Where do you live? Not many residential streets in London have pedestrian crossings or lights at all - let alone every 100m.

I would say most children of 10+ are capable of seeing (and equally important being seen) over a family saloon - Most adults will not be seen over a big 4x4 or people carrier.

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I live in Parkstone just by the local High St, where I live has 'street calming' the High St (Ashley Road) is a through route with roads crossing it at frequent intervals, many of which have traffic lights coupled with pedestrian crossings and there are other light controlled crossings as well. Despite this people will not walk a mere 50m either way to cross safely but will come out from between buses and parked cars. I think the buses should be banned, that way their passengers wouldn't come out from behind them into oncoming traffic.

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(Of course it's a problem - I find driving behind a van or 4x4 much more stressful because you have to be ready to react to the brake lights immediately - and when they do come on

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Which just proves what I said, you are driving too close to the vehicle in front.

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Try google - a good modern saloon will stop from 60 in 110-115 feet, a Toyota Landcruiser takes 140 feet

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I just did and can only find references to the Highway Code stopping distances. My new car brochure is open in front of me and doesn't quote braking distances nor does the brochure for my old C-RV. So as I said, please provide the data AND it's source. There is an assumption that heavier vehicles take longer to stop, but it is a big jump to associate all 4x4s as being heavier. Heavier than what? A top of the heap Mercedes will be heavier than a Fiat Uno, heavier even than a mid-range Mercedes but all are lighter than a truck or a bus, so what are their stopping distances, I don't know and I suspect you don't either, but feel free to prove me wrong. I would like to think on a slippery surface my car's 18" wheels with fat tyres and all 4 driving, plus the Electronic Stability Control, ABS etc standard on my car, I would have more chance of avoiding the problem than say a basic city car, let alone say a 20 yr old rust bucket or a bus. But then again I hate tailgating so practice what I preach and stay back, which eliminates many of the incidents requiring an emergency stop.
 
Re: London whinger

Well you have confirmed my decision made 35 years ago never to work again in London, let alone live there, or indeed in any big city, nasty smelly noisy places and for the most part too far from the sea. But that is your choice to make, just as my choice of car is mine.

Oh and my wheel arches are dirty because the car only gets cleaned once a year, we don't have a towbar because we don't tow a boat, horsebox or anything else, and the boot is very dirty from either the boatyard fitting out gear or the golf gear depending when you look.
 
Re: Protest Too Much?

I drive a Land Rover 110 defender truck cab, mainly because l carry 2 kids, 3 dogs + wife. when it gets dirty indside I just hose it out, no problem. I do live inthe country, and use its 4x4 capability reguly when visiting sites.

What gives any of you lot have the right to tell me what I
choose to drive?

As far as saving the planet goes, how many of you recylcle 90% of household waste?
What are you doing about reducing heat/energy loss from your homes?
What are you doing about instaling some sort of green technology into your home/workplace?

In my experience only 5% of you will be activley doing your bit about about saving the planet! I know this because this the area I work in. You all bleat about wanting to save the planet, but will spend 10K + on a new car, dumping the old one to a scrap yard/land fill site who care its not mine anymore, but you are not prepared to spen 10K + on doing anything else about saving the planet.

Give it rest, and let 4x4 owners have a break, until you do something positive about saving the planet.
 
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Try google - a good modern saloon will stop from 60 in 110-115 feet, a Toyota Landcruiser takes 140 feet

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I just did and can only find references to the Highway Code stopping distances. My new car brochure is open in front of me and doesn't quote braking distances nor does the brochure for my old C-RV. So as I said, please provide the data AND it's source.

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Searching for the "braking distance honda cr v" finds 2390 hits. From that you will see that the 1999 model as a listed braking distance of 141 feet, while the 2003 model has a distance of 129 feet. (from 60mph).

By comparison the latest Mondeo can stop from 62mph in 105ft (which is less than 100ft from 60)
 
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