claymore
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"Ignore the lessons they learned the hard way....."
Do you learn if you die?
Interesting concept
Do you learn if you die?
Interesting concept
Why is it that individuals feel the need to post about disasters marine or otherwise.
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Not you as an individual, unless you have a moment or two to go "I messed that up", but human kind in general. Think aircraft and black boxes.
claymore
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Just being flippant really.
I think we proably all reflect on things we have done and decided that, should the situation arise again, we might do something different. I think it is a spurious argument to suggest that by reading some report of an accident or incident, it impacts upon us to the point where we change our behaviour. We've surely all done things where we know we were fortunate, we learn not to make the same mistake.
I share the sentiments implied in the OP. There seemed little point in posting something about the family in the RIB incident as it was all over the news. The killchord seems the first logical place to begin an investigation. If that teaches people they should use a killchord (if fitted) then perhaps the real lesson starts further back. Should people really be using a machine, the operation of which they clearly haven't the first idea?
I think we proably all reflect on things we have done and decided that, should the situation arise again, we might do something different. I think it is a spurious argument to suggest that by reading some report of an accident or incident, it impacts upon us to the point where we change our behaviour. We've surely all done things where we know we were fortunate, we learn not to make the same mistake.
I share the sentiments implied in the OP. There seemed little point in posting something about the family in the RIB incident as it was all over the news. The killchord seems the first logical place to begin an investigation. If that teaches people they should use a killchord (if fitted) then perhaps the real lesson starts further back. Should people really be using a machine, the operation of which they clearly haven't the first idea?
awol
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That question arises in my head quite often with some of the posts on these fora and I have understood the general forum opinion to be that wilful ignorance, the inability to find or read a "How to ..." book, being unable to communicate with others face to face, etc. is not a reason for criticism, especially when dealing with motor boats.
chrisbitz
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This is nonsense
(with respect) People know that this cord starts it, you put petrol in here, this puts it in gear, this makes it faster, and this makes it stop.
Anything additional is potentially spurious bonus material.
People have much more than the first idea, it's the minutiae and fine points like kill switches that they don't know about. And its forums like these where they'll learn about them.
claymore
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I see where you are coming from but, surely its as important to know how to stop an engine as it is to start one?
This isnt a fine point Chris, its fundamental.
Hows the Micro?
This isnt a fine point Chris, its fundamental.
Hows the Micro?
Lakesailor
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Always my first check when I drive an unknown vehicle (used to do it a lot when we had a garage) is to try the brakes whilst still in a safe place.
AntarcticPilot
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This is nonsense
People know that this cord starts it, you put petrol in here, this puts it in gear, this makes it faster, and this makes it stop.
Anything additional is potentially spurious bonus material.
People have much more than the first idea, it's the minutiae and fine points like kill switches that they don't know about. And its forums like these where they'll learn about them.
There is also the point that things like kill cords are often seen as unecessary on the principle of "It'll never happen to me". And as they are a minor inconvenience to use if you're changing helms and things like that, people don't bother. Discussion of incidents that highlight that it CAN happen to you with consequences much greater than a "minor inconvenience" are a useful thing.
Seajet
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When you see any fighter aircraft leave the hangar it will nod and stop briefly as the guy in the cockpit - usually groundcrew - tests the brakes.
I did this on Sea Harriers setting off for weapons test ranges, if I managed to get pointed to the cockpit in front of the fitters; you only had a few stabs at the brakes, watching the hydraulic accumulator guage.
Incidentally the modern ABS brakes on cars was invented by Dunlop, selectable ' anti-skid ' was standard on British aircraft by my time in the 1980's.
AntarcticPilot
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They probably knew how to stop the engine. What they probably didn't appreciate was that a mechanism to stop the engine when the boat was out of control a) existed and b) was important.
claymore
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Possibly so
Hard to know now what the the driver knew.
It looks a newish boat, I once bought a searider rib from Barnet Marine and they were very thorough in telling me how it all worked. I would have thought that was standard practice when a customer receives the boat.
Hard to know now what the the driver knew.
It looks a newish boat, I once bought a searider rib from Barnet Marine and they were very thorough in telling me how it all worked. I would have thought that was standard practice when a customer receives the boat.
PhillM
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The point is that reading the book and knowing the relevence of what it talks are two different things.
My Beta manual warns that Diesel fumes can be harmful and cause problems in pregenency and to be honest I didnt take much notice of that warning. (hmm perhaps they mean that owing a boat with a new engine will have young attractive ladies falling at my feet?)
I for one now know that the kill cord is important and why. I will be sure to a)test it post service and b) wear it