Who's at fault

Doesn't the colgegs require you to take due care and to give attention in any special circumstances ? Rule 2?

I think a requirement to navigate with due skill and care takes priority over other rules. Putting your own boat in collision situation is not the action of a careful skipper.
 
MartynG said:
Doesn't the colgegs require you to take due care and to give attention in any special circumstances ? Rule 2?

I think a requirement to navigate with due skill and care takes priority over other rules. Putting your own boat in collision situation is not the action of a careful skipper.
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precisely. The overiding rationale behind Colregs is saftey. What the ferry did was quite obviously unsafe. Yet some still maintain the right of way doggedness. Which imo is blind (stupidity) adherence to rules.
 
BruceK said:
But the ferry also did not slow down or check the passage was clear on exiting past the ship to port and entering the main channel. This to me is akin to a Mobo steaming out a marina gate when I am already making way in the channel and clobbering me to port. Colregs say he has right of way, common sense and courtesy say otherwise, but the overiding consideration for both is saftey. It is on this point that I say both are at fault. The ferry did not take into consideration they were exiting a blind spot and carried on blithely. The tug is also at fault.
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Not the first to say this, but, since the vid shows nothing to starboard of the ferry then that is also an assumption.
Looks like both vessels were hooning along too close to a blind corner.
 
BruceK said:
But the ferry also did not slow down or check the passage was clear on exiting past the ship to port and entering the main channel.
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Sorry but what main channel? How can you tell from the video who's in the main channel, ferry or tug?
 
MartynG said:
So if you are calmly driving down a suburban road and someone pulls out of his driveway directly in front of you causing an impact - who is at fault?
Having watched the video again I am inclined to a view that the ferry skipper was the dangerous driver who moved his boat into the path of the tug.
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Simply apply "the sence of order "
Highway code for car pulling out into main road from driveway -it's his fault -should stop and look to see its safe before joining the highway .
Col regs -ferry is stand on ,tug should alter couses / speed .---simples really

There has to be a sence of order otherwise chaos
In the col regs this suppose to prevent both vessels turning into each other ie the tug turning to Stb and ferry to port = collision ,or tug veering to port and ferry veering to Stb = glancing blow as one slides down the other .
To prevent this one of the vessels --- the ferry is given stand on status ,this means the tug helm knows / can exactly predict its course -so,s to make a safe change of its own course to avoid a collision .

As a local side issue the "ferry " to me suggest a timetable so re blind spot ( its not clear or relevant which vessel is in theso called main channel ) You would have thought the tug captain should have known the ferry would be about there or thereabouts ?
Hull -Rottadam ferry works it's way up /down Humber and river to Rottadam every day -huge big blue and white thing -locals know this and approx timmings -so if you are about to pop out from behind a big red moored cargo ship ,looking at the time , where's the ferry ?
Oh here it is , and it's the stand on vessel - can,t be arsed to touch the wheel or throttles - never mind I will just T bone it ,
 
Ah well, you have to dig a bit deeper than that, just like a little bit past the bit about give way to starboard Mike. The incident took place outside Argentinia's tourist and fishing port Mar Del Plata. The ferry was a private affair organised by a school for a kids outing trip. The ships you see are anchored 2 miles SW of the fishing port Mar Del Plata awaiting the tug and pilot to enter port. The channel extends from there to the port. at 4 seconds into the vid you will see the ship to the port of the ferry is not the only ship anchored up. You can see at least one other. Scenario. Day trippers out looking at seals and doing a jolly round the anchored ships is too busy gawking, oohing, ahhing and pointing and exit blindly out into the way of an oncoming ferry confident that they have right of way and that insurance will pay out. Dont bother about the kids.
 
BruceK said:
Ah well, you have to dig a bit deeper than that, just like a little bit past the bit about give way to starboard Mike. The incident took place outside Argentinia's tourist and fishing port Mar Del Plata. The ferry was a private affair organised by a school for a kids outing trip. The ships you see are anchored 2 miles SW of the fishing port Mar Del Plata awaiting the tug and pilot to enter port. The channel extends from there to the port. at 4 seconds into the vid you will see the ship to the port of the ferry is not the only ship anchored up. You can see at least one other. Scenario. Day trippers out looking at seals and doing a jolly round the anchored ships is too busy gawking, oohing, ahhing and pointing and exit blindly out into the way of an oncoming ferry confident that they have right of way and that insurance will pay out. Dont bother about the kids.
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You just proved my " local side issue" in post 26 ( not a timetabled ferry ) but loads of tripper gawker boats
Tug should have know this when rounding sterns of anchored vessels ---- and having seen one ......... Altered course /speed
Or better still slowed down approaching the stern -applying local knowledge there could be a tripper boat /ferry

Assume 2nd to last sentence "oncoming ferry " should read "on coming TUG "
 
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ah yes. Tug at fault too, I did say both. Both being at fault, both being incautious / unsafe. Absolutely the Tug should have known better, but that doesn't absolve the ferry of part blame either imo. But then, I'm no lawyer let alone a maritime lawyer and only expressing an opinion. And in my opinion both were clearly being numpties despite all this Colreg waffle.

And if I am wrong, you'll be pleased to know, I play it safe eitherway and unlikely to broadside you because of being pigheaded about right of way.
 
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I have no idea of the rules, but have seen tugs moving around chatham docks and was very impressed how they can move about and change direction on a tuppence.
On the other hand I have to assume the ferry handles like a brick?
 
OUCH! I'll take that as a concession on the principle of kicking a fella when he's down if you cant when he's up :D

There is always a bright side, but with Coastal Rides I'm still looking for it :nonchalance: :ambivalence:
 
BruceK said:
OUCH! I'll take that as a concession on the principle of kicking a fella when he's down if you cant when he's up :D

There is always a bright side, but with Coastal Rides I'm still looking for it :nonchalance: :ambivalence:
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Sorry, a bit below the belt, but couldn't stop myself............:D
 
OK, I sent the vid off to a mate who is a high flying maritime lawyer advocate whatyoumaycallit. If he deigns to opine I shall post it. Unless of course I have to eat humble pie in which case I will relegate it to pure hearsay and be damned. :o
 
Amazing to see the passengers just sitting there, behind huge sheets of glass, knowing they're about to be rammed by a tug. More interested in getting a good video for youtube than trying not to get killed.
 
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Aye, that's really thrown the cat among the pigeons now. So who is to blame here? Damn. Deffo the Ferry. Colregs says so. :D

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Unfortunately it has been reversed. Tug boat name back to front

2nd edit. My post now makes no sense whatsoever now you have removed the vid. Yes it was a mirror / reverse of the footage.
 
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adey said:
Amazing to see the passengers just sitting there, behind huge sheets of glass, knowing they're about to be rammed by a tug. More interested in getting a good video for youtube than trying not to get killed.
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Well, I guess that at least those which (according to this webpage) were injuried will probably review their priorities next time... :ambivalence:
 
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