Who knows about contact/impact adhesive...?

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The one to use is Time Bond, by Evode. It allows some movement of the carpet when getting it into place. I've never used aerosols for this job, always scraped it on. Use a cylinder vacuum cleaner on blow to provide tight spaces with some air. £17.45 per litre here.
 
All I know about contact adhesive is that I used to buy 5 litre cans of it in Hong Kong for about $75 - ie about £6. Made by Evo or various German manufacturers - so not cheap rubbish. Came back to UK and couldn't believe the price.
 
If your going to use contact adhesive you will be covered in sticky glue and get stoned anyway /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I once bought London out of the evostick contact adhesive on a club refurb i was doing , even with resperators we where still feeling the effects . Open all windows and doors/vents and wear a good mask .
 
Just done that myself.

I am using ribbed polyprop carpet. £1.99 / meter from a local carpet place. Couldn't believe he price. I have use the 'marine ' stuff in the past on many ocasions.

But you were asking about glue.

I got some Ever Build, Stick 2, contact adhesive from a local industrial supplier.

5 L £18.59 and 750cl £3.65 including vat.

I find it very good to use.

The evostick 528 contact stuff is similar.

For fixing the carpet straight on the inside of the hull. Decant some into a plastic mixing bowl then liberally paint the hull using a 2"brush the carpet just sticks on it.

When I was covering some ply panels I coated both the ply and the carpet but used a credit card sized piece of plastic to spread the glue out. Left it for 20 mins and then had to place them very carefully in the correct position- first time.

As has already been well pointed out I had a powerful fan blasting fresh air at my face.

Iain
 
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wear a good mask

[/ QUOTE ] That is an "Organic vapours mask" such as 3M 4251. IMHO it is absolutely vital as the toluene fumes from solvent based impact adhesives is lethal. "Stoned" could be an understatement. It is not a substitute for good ventillation though as there is an upper concentration limit at which it is effective.

BTW I found a spray on adhesive, supplied by Hawke House Marine, useful for the back of the lining matreial. HH also suplied the mask.
 
A mine of information you guys. Thanks a lot. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

I heard that 1 litre does about 5 square metres? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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I heard that 1 litre does about 5 square metres?

[/ QUOTE ] According to the Timebond tin 250ml covers 1.4m² per surface.

I used a liquid one and that covers 4.1m² to 6.2m² per litre according to the tin.

You might want to consider using a high temperature adhesive.

I can recommend Hawke House for all materials including the mask.
 
Cheers.

I'm very impressed by Hawke House.

I've just found tool-net - ridiculously cheap!
Iain's recommendation of Everbuild Stick 2 is £22 for 5 litres inc VAT
http://www.tool-net.co.uk/p-324585/everbuild-stick-2-all-purpose-contact-adhesive-5-ltr.html
, and the face mask £11 with the cartridges £6
http://www.tool-net.co.uk/p-314358/scan-sse200-twin-cartridge-respirator.html

However they say that coverage for Stick2 per litre is 2.5metres. Does that really mean 5meters, but it's quoted as 2.5 because you need to do both surfaces? I can't believe it only goes half as far as evo-stick.
 
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wear a good mask

[/ QUOTE ] Ts the toluene fumes from solvent based impact adhesives is lethal. "Stoned" could be an understatement.

[/ QUOTE ] There was a contributor to these forums some years back who had made this mistake, was fortunately dragged out of his boat before it was terminal, and suffered kidney failure as a direct result. Toluene works as an anaesthetic, so you just go to sleep.... like CO poisoning.
 
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1.5 How can toluene affect my health?

A serious health concern is that toluene may have an effect on your brain. Toluene can cause headaches, confusion, and memory loss. Whether or not toluene does this to you depends on the amount you take in and how long you are exposed. Low-to-moderate, day-after-day exposure in your workplace can cause tiredness, confusion, weakness, drunken-type actions, memory loss, nausea, and loss of appetite. These symptoms usually disappear when exposure is stopped. Researchers do not know if the low levels of toluene you breathe at work will cause any permanent effects on your brain or body after many years. You may experience some hearing loss after long-term daily exposure to toluene in the workplace.

If you are exposed to a large amount of toluene in a short time because you deliberately sniff paint or glue, you will first feel light-headed. If exposure continues, you can become dizzy, sleepy, or unconscious. You might even die. Toluene causes death by interfering with the way you breathe and the way your heart beats. When exposure is stopped, the sleepiness and dizziness will go away and you will feel normal again.

If you choose to repeatedly breathe in toluene from glue or paint thinners, you may permanently damage your brain. You may also experience problems with your speech, vision, or hearing, have loss of muscle control, loss of memory, poor balance, and decreased mental ability. Some of these changes may be permanent.

Toluene may change the way your kidneys work, but in most cases, the kidneys will return to normal after exposure stops. If you drink alcohol and are exposed to toluene, the combination can affect your liver more than either compound alone. This phenomenon is called synergism. Combinations of toluene and some common medicines like aspirin and acetaminophen may increase the effects of toluene on your hearing.

In animals, the main effect of toluene is on the nervous system. Animals exposed to moderate or high levels of toluene may also show slightly adverse effects in their liver, kidneys, and lungs.

Several studies have shown that unborn animals were harmed when high levels of toluene were breathed in by their mothers. When the mothers were fed high levels of toluene, the unborn animals did not show any structural birth defects, although some effects on behavior were noted. We do not know if toluene would harm your unborn child if you drink water or breathe air containing low levels of toluene, because studies in people are not comprehensive enough to measure this effect. However, if you deliberately breathe in large amounts of toluene during your pregnancy, your baby can have neurological problems and retarded growth and development.

Studies in workers and in animals exposed to toluene indicate that toluene does not cause cancer. The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) and the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) have not classified toluene for carcinogenic effects. The EPA has determined that toluene is not classifiable as to its human carcinogenicity. [/list]
- The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, Public Health Statement for Toluene May 1994 /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 
Ooops.... felt a bit knackered at the weekend after tacking all the cured evostick on the cabin sole.....

...off to the local 3M stockist for me. Thanks for that.
 
The goods have finally turned up.

However on close inspection the filters have 'use by' labels saying '30 December 2005'. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
https://www.tool-net.co.uk/p-314360/scan-sse216-organic-vapours-and-gas-cartridges-pack-of-2.html

The tins of glue are a bit bashed about - they strangely appear to be distended in a way that would come about from expansion of the contents at some time. And the tin of thinners/cleaner is rather rusty. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

I'll be ringing them tomorrow.


Why is it that at least 50% of things i buy have something wrong with them? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Still no satisfactory response from tool-net. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif


Three things I've learnt though:

1) invest in a tin of thinners/cleaner. Use this to slightly dilute the glue and it becomes easier to work with /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

2) avoid doing it outside on sunny windy days - like wot I did! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

3) don't buy goods from tool-net! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
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If you are exposed to a large amount of toluene in a short time because you deliberately sniff paint or glue, you will first feel light-headed...............If you choose to repeatedly breathe in toluene from glue or paint thinners, you may permanently damage your brain..............

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Ahhhh, that explains it then! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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