Koeketiene
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Semantics.
In Ostend the bod in charge of the whole shebang is the 'Havenkapitein' (Harbour captain).
The different YC have their own Harbour Master.
White Diesel?
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Semantics.
In Ostend the bod in charge of the whole shebang is the 'Havenkapitein' (Harbour captain).
The different YC have their own Harbour Master.
sailorman
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Robert is HM of the Montgomery Dock
Coaster
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My boat does have a motor. It also has a mast and sails. We use it for cruising in the Bristol Channel, Irish Sea, Celtic Sea and Ireland. Whilst under way, at a rough guess, we spend 10% of the time under motor only, 60% motor sailing and 30% under sail only. We are potterers, doing about 1000NM pa, with only a few passages of more than 100NM each year.
The six black plastic cans fit perfectly into the bottom of one of our aft deck lockers, giving us a 60l diesel reserve. Together with the 160l in our fuel tank, and allowing 25% of that for safety, gives us a range of more than 500NM. Consequently we can take a 10 day trip and not worry about needing to buy fuel.
Is there something wrong with robust, light, corrosion resistant black plastic diesel cans of a very convenient size? I thought they would be much better for us than heavy mild steel cans that will inevitably corrode.
sailorman
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how would that work with two large Detroits then, its not only us sailors who have problems on the East Coast, the MoBoers have a potentially serious problem with the Belgian situation
Seagreen
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Well, interesting so far. The reason I asked this was, as Cleone has another enforced season ashore, I may make use of the time to clean the tank and system and convert to white diesel. However, it isn't a big job and I've no plans to go to France next year anyway. I've an 85L tank of which I use about 30L per season, so filling by jerrycan (I have several) would not be an issue, nor would carrying spare on a long trip.
I just wondered at the necessity of it, if the situation with the shoreside supply of white had changed anywhere in the UK at all. It seems that most if not all EU authorities were ignoring the fuss, at least in France which is my most likely foreign destination. How about Eire? What's the situation in Ireland, or are they still too laid back for their own good?
I just wondered at the necessity of it, if the situation with the shoreside supply of white had changed anywhere in the UK at all. It seems that most if not all EU authorities were ignoring the fuss, at least in France which is my most likely foreign destination. How about Eire? What's the situation in Ireland, or are they still too laid back for their own good?
sailorman
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i ran my tank of red down to MT over last winter using the heater.
i refilled with 135 lts of white,changed the sight tube only. the system ran clear as was the water separator glass. it would certainly not pass a chemical testing but would certainly pass a visual backed up by receipts.
i added 70lts of red in Jersey & not much chance in colour.
added another 30lts of white in France & its to all intents it is white /clear.
i see no point in "cleaning" tanks
PaulR
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champagne- no check of our tanks or contents nor of our receipts - the police officer was interested in passports/ssr and wanted to know model and make of engine and vhf and that was it ,
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cliff
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Well I couldn't give a toss about the availability of white diesel - I use red and will continue to do so (and not go to Belgium).
Just took the car in for repair - injector problem - chappie says "yea, quite common nowdays with the fleet operators - shagged fuel systems due to the high levels of Biodiesel in road fuel - seems the haulage industry and fleet operators are well aware of the problems but our dear old Govt will not budge so the industry is having to pay out even more in maintenance and repair bills. From what I gathered the fuel pumps (injector pumps) and injectors are not lasting very long at all once the biodiesel gets to them.
Think I'll stick with fame free red for the boat.
Just took the car in for repair - injector problem - chappie says "yea, quite common nowdays with the fleet operators - shagged fuel systems due to the high levels of Biodiesel in road fuel - seems the haulage industry and fleet operators are well aware of the problems but our dear old Govt will not budge so the industry is having to pay out even more in maintenance and repair bills. From what I gathered the fuel pumps (injector pumps) and injectors are not lasting very long at all once the biodiesel gets to them.
Think I'll stick with fame free red for the boat.
sailorman
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does car repair man recommend 2T oil added to the tank
PaulGooch
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Why would that be? Have they recently changed the law of which I am unaware?
Nope, nothing new. Just old stuff that you seem unaware of
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Nope, nothing new. Just old stuff that you seem unaware of
Not in the slightest, anyone can legally fill diesel cans at any petrol station. There are no laws, extant, which limit the quantity you are allowed to fill.
crewman
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I was visiting a fuel storage site recently. Apparently the tax benefits of biodiesel have been reduced and it is going out of favour with the fuel companies. The predicted reduction in grain yield in the States will encourage more farmers to grow wheat rather than rape so there will be less FAME around anyway.
Elemental
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Nope, nothing new. Just old stuff that you seem unaware of
Where do you find that? The following quote is taken from the HSE website (http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/petroleum-faqs.htm#filling)
sailorman
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How should I store diesel and what quantity am I allowed?
There are no specific legal requirements on how to store diesel or the quantity allowed either in workplaces or domestic premises. It is not, from a health and safety point of view, a particularly hazardous substance within the meaning of the Dangerous Substances and Explosive Atmospheres Regulations 2002 - its vapour flash point is too high. This means that its vapour will not ignite at normal room temperatures.
That said, there are some general issues you'll need to take into account:
no 'hotwork' should be performed on the vessel unless it is emptied and purged of any remaining vapour.
the drum should be positioned away from any source of direct heat.
the drum should be located in an area where there is no risk of collision with vehicles, fork-lift trucks etc. (diesel splashing onto a hot engine will probably ignite).
leaks and spills should be contained to the vicinity of the drum and mopped up quickly, to lessen the risk of slipping.
refilling and dispensing activities need to take account of manual handling issues etc.
While diesel is not a particularly dangerous substance from a health and safety point of view, it is an environmental hazard, with considerable clean-up costs if it should leak into a drain, watercourse or the soil. You may, therefore, wish to contact the Environment Agency for further information
There are no specific legal requirements on how to store diesel or the quantity allowed either in workplaces or domestic premises. It is not, from a health and safety point of view, a particularly hazardous substance within the meaning of the Dangerous Substances and Explosive Atmospheres Regulations 2002 - its vapour flash point is too high. This means that its vapour will not ignite at normal room temperatures.
That said, there are some general issues you'll need to take into account:
no 'hotwork' should be performed on the vessel unless it is emptied and purged of any remaining vapour.
the drum should be positioned away from any source of direct heat.
the drum should be located in an area where there is no risk of collision with vehicles, fork-lift trucks etc. (diesel splashing onto a hot engine will probably ignite).
leaks and spills should be contained to the vicinity of the drum and mopped up quickly, to lessen the risk of slipping.
refilling and dispensing activities need to take account of manual handling issues etc.
While diesel is not a particularly dangerous substance from a health and safety point of view, it is an environmental hazard, with considerable clean-up costs if it should leak into a drain, watercourse or the soil. You may, therefore, wish to contact the Environment Agency for further information
sailorman
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I carry diesel in my vehicle - what regulations do I have to comply with?
Diesel is now a ‘dangerous substance’ for the purposes of the Carriage Regulations. Its UN No. is 1202. The flashpoint of diesel is much higher than that of petrol but the basic carriage rules apply. In this case the "small load" threshold is 1000 litres.
Obviously if a vehicle caught fire or was involved in an accident which was carrying diesel it would contribute to a fire.
Diesel is now a ‘dangerous substance’ for the purposes of the Carriage Regulations. Its UN No. is 1202. The flashpoint of diesel is much higher than that of petrol but the basic carriage rules apply. In this case the "small load" threshold is 1000 litres.
Obviously if a vehicle caught fire or was involved in an accident which was carrying diesel it would contribute to a fire.
