Which tender for Princess 45

I will take another look tomorrow after dropping off SWMBO and Gkids to Reus. I go back on Friday.

I am sure I measured 3050mm between sides on BP which would run across the door, I suppose I could use a floating dock behind the boat when on berth, I have enough room, so it would only be inconvenient when out on a trip and can be launched before entering a marina, so it will depend on the pointy end and how far the motor sticks out. I would like a bigger tender.

Anyone with a 2002 P45 reading this, with a bigger tender sitting on the back of their boat let me know.....!
 
Mark - what's the Cabrio like?

Are you still using the Ferretti a few berths away? Not seen you or Jez out here for a while... I nearly emailed Jez to borrow his trampoline for the kids but they ended up on wake boards and a friend in SCM let them have his Avon with Jockey console to play with in the lagoon, it was very busy out there on Sunday.....
 
John100156 said:
I will take another look tomorrow after dropping off SWMBO and Gkids to Reus. I go back on Friday.

I am sure I measured 3050mm between sides on BP which would run across the door, I suppose I could use a floating dock behind the boat when on berth, I have enough room, so it would only be inconvenient when out on a trip and can be launched before entering a marina, so it will depend on the pointy end and how far the motor sticks out. I would like a bigger tender.

Anyone with a 2002 P45 reading this, with a bigger tender sitting on the back of their boat let me know.....!
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If you have room for a dock behind the boat, that would sort the size problem whilst you are in SC.
Lots of people do that kind of thing.
Me included.

But can you manage the extra size of a bigger tender whilst you are away?
I know it isn't quite the same but look at our oversized monster.

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Thats how we travel from anchorage to anchorage but that doesn't work for use if we need to go into a conventional stern berth Med berth,
The tender blocks the passerelle so we have to put it away on top - it is still a monster though.

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I'm just making a point that, IMO, you need to push the boundaries.
And there is more than one way to skin a cat.

For example, when we were discussing on this forum how I was going to get such a large tender onto my flybridge, I looked at all kinds of different options.
Some involved special sliding chocks so that the tender could be loaded and then slid into its storage position.
In fact we spent days discussing this on this forum.
It might even have run into weeks.
In the end, MapisM came up with a very simple solution
Mike, he said, "WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE SOME AIR OUT OF THE TUBES"
Doh!!
We were looking too hard at the problem and we didn't see the obvious solution.

So, to load the Novurania onto our flybridge, we simply let some air out of the tubes before lifting.
JFM then enhanced the solution by suggesting an electric pump to put the air back - we did that and it takes seconds to reflate it.
He also suggested a "halfway house" stop during the tender's lift.
So, when I made the chocks, I added extra "Vs" so that we could stop the lift, let some air out and then complete the loading.
Like this

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Having been doing this for 4 years now, we don't stop the lift to let the air out - just let it out before the lift from sea level.
But those "Vs" are excellent for cleaning the bottom of the Novurania's hull.

Since setting all this up, we also discovered that it was very difficult to climb up onto the boat after a swim if the tender was on the bathing platform.
We have even cracked that one as well by having a temporary bathing ladder that we drop over the port rear quarter of the bathing platform.
Again only needed if the tender is actually on the platform - otherwise the usual ladder works.

I think, what I'm saying is - where there's a will - there's a way.
So, what about a dock and letting some air out - only when you you need to go into a stern berth.
 
Not sure how you feel about this type of thing.

Polycraft 300 Tuffy (the new version). It's made of kayak plastic and is basically indestructible. Albeit we have it on a P50/3 rather than a P45 (previous boat), it has a 20hp and it goes very well. It is super stable. I can stand on one gunwale and the dinghy barely tips. Planes easily with 4 adults albeit the ride can be a bit wetter than a RIB.

The reason I mention it is that the internal volume is HUGE compared to a similar sized RIB. It is 3.05m long and weighs ~160kg with the motor etc. Lots of storage and the finish is pretty nice. Australian built and a very practical unit; particularly in my part of the world with rocks etc.

Just make sure you reinforce the passerelle mount!! In fact do that anyway regardless of which tender you choose.. ;-)

James.
 

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+1 for the folding transom Cabriolet rib, I inherited one with my new boat, sits well on the back of a Phantom 43.
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What size Cabrio? I would be interested to see photo's with it on your bathing platform if you have any. I'm torn with storing a tender on our Ph43 as we like the open platform so much for boarding with our dog.
 
James,
I looked at some solid tenders but much prefer RIBS with consoles.

Machaseo,
I would also be interested in seeing photos/size of the Cabrio when stowed.

Mike,
Yes, I was thinking about that last night. I fitted an electric suction/discharge air pump on the back, located within the crane locker, to blow up my Bombard and thought with a 3 tube WB, I could just drop the air in the pointy end to give me better access to BP, it would only take a few mins. Just dropped SWMBO at Reus - going out to take some more dims shortly.

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to respond, I do like a lot of the suggestions made, and will be downloading lots of manuals tonight....!
 
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Mike,
Yes, I was thinking about that last night. I fitted an electric suction/discharge air pump on the back, located within the crane locker, to blow up my Bombard and thought with a 3 tube WB, I could just drop the air in the pointy end to give me better access to BP, it would only take a few mins. Just dropped SWMBO at Reus - going out to take some more dims shortly.
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I don't bother sucking the air out - I just poke my finger in the valve to deflate it enough to fit.

This is the air pump that I use - a Bravo 500

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These people seem to have them
230 V Pump »Bravo 500«

It is mains powered so I have to run the generator to inflate the tender.
That said, most of the time, I have inflated it whilst in the marina so the shore mains does the job.
That pump is very quick - Takes me less that 20 seconds on each tube (only 2 tubes get deflated) to put back the air that was taken out.
 
OK I use the Bravo Super turbo but without the battery, I installed a Marinco 12V plug and socket taken from Genny battery.

These are the dimensions I have just taken, I reckon if I deflate the bow compartment I should be just about OK for a 3.1m with say a 20hp or 25hp motor. The BP and crane are designed to take a 200kg load, the chock holes are shown and they are in the shower tray below which I can get modified as they have plenty of teak on them:-
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We are 4.2 beam and a swim ladder that folds into the steps , think transom door issue.
I had a good hard look/ recci etc for a while .Previous was a roll up 2.4 .
Same spec required needs to take 4 adults in ....importantly without a wet arse if possible or some thing to mitigate after all our guest usually arrive August/ September in the Med .
capelli 2.2 is what plumped for .
Its a V bottom fibreglass with a flat floor .The gap is a safety inflation thing .
Had eyelets for lifting and comes in @45 kg .They do increments of 20 Cm irrc?
Your Al bottom might have a V interior profile...so stuff mixes with water in the v like your phone or her bag heaven forbid :)

Passerelle had a slider thingy to facilitate launch / recovery.

Was €3200 sticker price ,I negotiated £2600 delivered to the berth in La Napoule .

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needs to be clear of this area so two can swim without launching it every time .

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Fits proportionally to the boat if aesthetics are important.
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You can see the flat floor and hidden buoyancy chamber ....with its plug the lower one .Higher one is the self draining valve .

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Hard V .
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Just a nice piece of kit ...Capelli .
 

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@post 29: it looks like to keep the door clear + the OB (tilt scratch risk ) attached you are looking at what I have got 2.2 or 2.4 Max .
You will regret anything longer in that 3 M space .Created by the stern ”wings “ adjacent to the transom.

You will regret opting to phaff with inflation and launching it to able to access the swim ladder .
 
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I do know what you mean and accept what you say, I had a 3.5 on the back of my F43 for 5+ years with a Cooney Passerelle crane and infrequently it was a pain.

For the next couple of years though I will still be working so long trips will amount to only a handful a year, we have as you may know a big lagoon outside SC, which is where most of the playing will go on with Grandkids and outlaws, probably only go over to the islands once a year. I have plenty of room for a floating deck at the stern to house the dinghy and we can drive or drag it if needed.

I don't think letting air out of one tube would be an issue and when using the BP which is great, we would launch the boat, the crane is in good shape in the locker and easy to deploy. I have yet to work out how to adapt a gang plank which will be needed.

The stern wings as you say are a pain but I can hang it out a bit, I have room on my berth, just need to be careful it doesn't create a vortex and such fumes otherwise need to go for a black Brig.....:)
 
John, was introduced to these guys - Excel Inflatables - today, might be worth a call. They do a range of small Aluminium RIBs with consoles and folding transoms. So on yoiur platform you could fit a 290 or maybe a 310, engine folds flat inside like the Cabrio.
Example: RIBs Excel VIRAGO SR290 RIB. Excel Rigid Inflatable Boats.

Seem well priced too. No connection.
 
Scala said:
John, was introduced to these guys - Excel Inflatables - today, might be worth a call. They do a range of small Aluminium RIBs with consoles and folding transoms. So on yoiur platform you could fit a 290 or maybe a 310, engine folds flat inside like the Cabrio.
Example: RIBs Excel VIRAGO SR290 RIB. Excel Rigid Inflatable Boats.

Seem well priced too. No connection.
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Thanks I will take a look

I had some numbers back for an AB 9 ALX with Yamaha F20GES at £10,450, but really want the electric powered tilt model F20GEPS which I am told there are none in the country at the moment....
 
When we had the P42 it didn’t have a crane / passerelle so I ended up with a South Pacific “Puffin” tender. Solid aluminium hull so lovely and stable also great for running up beaches. 4/5hp outboard is easy and cheap to source. You’ll get a guaranteed ten years then church a new one on and sell the old one to cover some of the cost.

weight wise the tender came in at under 30kg so your lifting gear would be suitable even with you inside.

cost wise - peanuts compared to what you’ve been looking at.

just a thought.

Henry
 
Thanks, I will take a look.

I do quite fancy something a bit upmarket for the next few years or so, C19/Brexit permitting, we have young grandkids whom love running around and playing in the lagoon in the tender, so a few toys too next year perhaps (that reminds me Jez, if your following is your trampoline still useable).

I think I have ruled out the jet ribs on cost and value for money and perhaps a bit too powerful for what we need, but a nice 2.9-3.1m tender with Alu or GRP floor and a centre console with seats and say a 20-25hp motor with electric tilt, would fit the bill nicely, have several enquiries out there at the moment thanks to all of those contributors above.....
 
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