Boathook
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For me a Danforth but others will disagree and agree.
Which is the best anchor - Bruce, Delta, CQR ???
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tyga
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Sybarite
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I haven't read the other posts yet but my first choice would be a Rocna.
John
John
oceanfroggie
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Any CQR or CQR look-a-like or plough anchors in general. That's from experience not reading duff and varied mag tests
Searush
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My current bower is a CQR which can cope with sand/ mud, shingle or rocks. I have a fisherman's available if anyone wants one. Probably about 20-25lb ish, it was my kedge, but I recently replaced it with a Danforth as I am mostly over sand & mud. I bought the fisherman's when I was often over rocks/ boulders where it is far better than a Danforth (which, at the time was my bower)
Onwards & upwards. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Onwards & upwards. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
charles_reed
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The best anchor
whichever one the poster is using.
whichever one the poster is using.
WindFinder
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Opinions please
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A load of heavy chain gives me more confidence than anything else. There's no anchor I really trust, but I do trust chain.
Anecdotal: In clear water I've seen a Bruce fail to dig into the most promising of sea beds. I've been impressed with how quick the Danforth sets and how well it holds. I've spent a night on a fisherman that cut trough weed and held me all night in a gale on what I assume was a sand bottom. I've never had a problem with a CQR. I've used a mud weight tied to a mooring line and that worked. The only anchors I've used in water clear enough to actually see what was going on were the Bruce which set very badly and the CQR which set very well.
Ships seem to use nothing but Danforths which might mean something.
As I say, IMHO the real answer is the best anchor is one that has the longest length of lovely chain attached.
For ultimate confidence us a Fiat Panda as an Angel?
Opinions please
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A load of heavy chain gives me more confidence than anything else. There's no anchor I really trust, but I do trust chain.
Anecdotal: In clear water I've seen a Bruce fail to dig into the most promising of sea beds. I've been impressed with how quick the Danforth sets and how well it holds. I've spent a night on a fisherman that cut trough weed and held me all night in a gale on what I assume was a sand bottom. I've never had a problem with a CQR. I've used a mud weight tied to a mooring line and that worked. The only anchors I've used in water clear enough to actually see what was going on were the Bruce which set very badly and the CQR which set very well.
Ships seem to use nothing but Danforths which might mean something.
As I say, IMHO the real answer is the best anchor is one that has the longest length of lovely chain attached.
For ultimate confidence us a Fiat Panda as an Angel?
flaming
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Weather easing tomorrow - Warsash Spring Series No 2 here we come and I'm going to try to finish on the right line tomorrow! Anyone else make that howler in No1?
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Nope!
Good fun today, bit of a lottery at times but some really close racing.
Weather easing tomorrow - Warsash Spring Series No 2 here we come and I'm going to try to finish on the right line tomorrow! Anyone else make that howler in No1?
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Nope!
Good fun today, bit of a lottery at times but some really close racing.
Tidewaiter2
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IMHO the real answer is the best anchor is one that has the longest length of lovely chain attached.
Absolutely concur /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
For ultimate confidence us a Fiat Panda as an Angel?
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Surely a bit lightwieght??- any clean, non muddy/dented 4x4 on double yellows outside a school complete with driver and brats- IMHO much better cantenary. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Any room under the Orwell bridge tonite? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Absolutely concur /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
For ultimate confidence us a Fiat Panda as an Angel?
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Surely a bit lightwieght??- any clean, non muddy/dented 4x4 on double yellows outside a school complete with driver and brats- IMHO much better cantenary. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Any room under the Orwell bridge tonite? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Richard10002
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I lost confidence fairly quickly in my plough and, if I survive my current shorebased ordeal, I will be buying a Rocna or a Spade before setting sail for Lagos next spring, (2009).
Funnily enough, I will also need a new liferaft /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Richard
Funnily enough, I will also need a new liferaft /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Richard
jimbaerselman
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Re: The best anchor
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whichever one the poster is using.
[/ QUOTE ] Nice one Charles! People have to defend their decisions, however long ago they were made, don't they?
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whichever one the poster is using.
[/ QUOTE ] Nice one Charles! People have to defend their decisions, however long ago they were made, don't they?
pyrojames
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Re: The best anchor
I'm confused, I have a CQR, fisherman, and a Danforth, and I use them all...
I'm confused, I have a CQR, fisherman, and a Danforth, and I use them all...
charles_reed
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Unfortunately
such a question begs the question:-
"What bottom"
Far more important than the anchor design is the composition of the bottom.
Much malinformation is spread by the purveyors of various "patent", overpriced anchors, who are trying to part us from our hard-earned cash.
Innumerable trials of doubtful design purport to give the answer to "best anchor".
The only consistent agreement that appears to come from these is:-
1. The Bruce claw, at over 5 tonnes weight, is consistently the most effective anchor on sandy N Sea bottoms - in marked contrast to the yachtie version which equally consistently rates in the bottom quartile on most comparative tests.
2. On an appropriately soft bottom, the anchor with the greatest fluke area works the best.
3. The greater the fluke area the less effective is an anchor at setting in hard sand or sand over rock.
Mostly IMHO, of course.
Quod erat demonstrandum - the question is a no-brainer, as all you'll get are various vehement cries of faith, from various believers as you do to "Are/Is there a God(s)?"
such a question begs the question:-
"What bottom"
Far more important than the anchor design is the composition of the bottom.
Much malinformation is spread by the purveyors of various "patent", overpriced anchors, who are trying to part us from our hard-earned cash.
Innumerable trials of doubtful design purport to give the answer to "best anchor".
The only consistent agreement that appears to come from these is:-
1. The Bruce claw, at over 5 tonnes weight, is consistently the most effective anchor on sandy N Sea bottoms - in marked contrast to the yachtie version which equally consistently rates in the bottom quartile on most comparative tests.
2. On an appropriately soft bottom, the anchor with the greatest fluke area works the best.
3. The greater the fluke area the less effective is an anchor at setting in hard sand or sand over rock.
Mostly IMHO, of course.
Quod erat demonstrandum - the question is a no-brainer, as all you'll get are various vehement cries of faith, from various believers as you do to "Are/Is there a God(s)?"
KINGFISHER 9
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Re: Unfortunately
Tried them all over the years!
Bower - good = CQR.
...........best all round general = Delta
...........(both with all chain)
Kedge - Danforth or Fortress (too expensive!)
Tried them all over the years!
Bower - good = CQR.
...........best all round general = Delta
...........(both with all chain)
Kedge - Danforth or Fortress (too expensive!)
DaveNTL
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Re: Unfortunately
I've got those exactly those four, only problem is I've only got 3 lots of rode, 1 all chain and two chain / rope - I'm loath to get rid of the danforth though. Is it acceptable to keep four on some premise that you might lose one? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I've got those exactly those four, only problem is I've only got 3 lots of rode, 1 all chain and two chain / rope - I'm loath to get rid of the danforth though. Is it acceptable to keep four on some premise that you might lose one? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Lizzie_B
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Re: Unfortunately
Me too mate.. maybe it's something about sailing on the East Coast of the USA... I keep my Danforth Kedge rode in a plastic shopping basket on permanent loan from WestMarine in St Petersburg lashed under the pushpit rail-- takes up no room at all. see by my right hip..
fortunate that the other three go on the rollers or in the anchor locker.. which is large enough to hold their chains and rodes. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Yep. big anchor/chain locker is a real blessing /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
PS.. I draw members attention to the paper charts and blue ensign... Retires rapidly-but with dignity to the bunker /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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BTW-- the young lady was the best absolute beginner crew I've ever had.. assumed the first three days of 40knot winds were normal. Was quite shocked when we went sailing on a calm sunny day /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Me too mate.. maybe it's something about sailing on the East Coast of the USA... I keep my Danforth Kedge rode in a plastic shopping basket on permanent loan from WestMarine in St Petersburg lashed under the pushpit rail-- takes up no room at all. see by my right hip..
fortunate that the other three go on the rollers or in the anchor locker.. which is large enough to hold their chains and rodes. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Yep. big anchor/chain locker is a real blessing /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
PS.. I draw members attention to the paper charts and blue ensign... Retires rapidly-but with dignity to the bunker /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
BTW-- the young lady was the best absolute beginner crew I've ever had.. assumed the first three days of 40knot winds were normal. Was quite shocked when we went sailing on a calm sunny day /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Tidewaiter2
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Re: Unfortunately
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I've got those exactly those four, only problem is I've only got 3 lots of rode, 1 all chain and two chain / rope - I'm loath to get rid of the danforth though. Is it acceptable to keep four on some premise that you might lose one? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
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Why not, just paint a higher boot topping line like we did!
I'm trying to get some of that lead weighted line, but it's hard to get from our usual chandlers wholesaler- Compass have it in their catalogue, tho.
Three anchors seems a bit of a light kit issue mind;
after much pressure from SWMBO, down to:
a Bruce 10kg + 40m x 10mm on the roller/locker,
10kg Delta + 20m x 10mm chain reserve anchor in Gorilla tub,
Brittany(kelp bottoms) 5kg? + 10m 8mm kedge( came with the boat)
and two by 14mm octiplait 30m warps on drums,
and 100m 10mm three strand warp on drum. All eyespliced, thimbled, shackled ready to go on.
Oh, and a 3.5kg Rib mushroom anchor as mud/drudging wieght/ cantenary angel/ pot line sinker, etc.
Still feel I'm in shirt sleeves in January tho'. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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I've got those exactly those four, only problem is I've only got 3 lots of rode, 1 all chain and two chain / rope - I'm loath to get rid of the danforth though. Is it acceptable to keep four on some premise that you might lose one? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
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Why not, just paint a higher boot topping line like we did!
I'm trying to get some of that lead weighted line, but it's hard to get from our usual chandlers wholesaler- Compass have it in their catalogue, tho.
Three anchors seems a bit of a light kit issue mind;
after much pressure from SWMBO, down to:
a Bruce 10kg + 40m x 10mm on the roller/locker,
10kg Delta + 20m x 10mm chain reserve anchor in Gorilla tub,
Brittany(kelp bottoms) 5kg? + 10m 8mm kedge( came with the boat)
and two by 14mm octiplait 30m warps on drums,
and 100m 10mm three strand warp on drum. All eyespliced, thimbled, shackled ready to go on.
Oh, and a 3.5kg Rib mushroom anchor as mud/drudging wieght/ cantenary angel/ pot line sinker, etc.
Still feel I'm in shirt sleeves in January tho'. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
jimbaerselman
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Re: Unfortunately
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...........(both with all chain)
[/ QUOTE ] Although you've got all chain, I trust you use a nylon snubber line of good length to add some spring to that rode . . .
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...........(both with all chain)
[/ QUOTE ] Although you've got all chain, I trust you use a nylon snubber line of good length to add some spring to that rode . . .
Tidewaiter2
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Re: Unfortunately
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...........(both with all chain)
[/ QUOTE ] Although you've got all chain, I trust you use a nylon snubber line of good length to add some spring to that rode . . .
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Chain looped by Chain hook, chain hook shackled(and moused!)to 14mm octi strop wiv snubber, made off via fairleads to bow cleats on a 14mm braid thimbled bridle, and inboard chain made off to kingpost with a barge hitch, to clear windlass drum and rope gypsy,jic.
Did I forget anything? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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...........(both with all chain)
[/ QUOTE ] Although you've got all chain, I trust you use a nylon snubber line of good length to add some spring to that rode . . .
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Chain looped by Chain hook, chain hook shackled(and moused!)to 14mm octi strop wiv snubber, made off via fairleads to bow cleats on a 14mm braid thimbled bridle, and inboard chain made off to kingpost with a barge hitch, to clear windlass drum and rope gypsy,jic.
Did I forget anything? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
DaveNTL
Well-Known Member
Re: Unfortunately
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Three anchors seems a bit of a light kit issue mind;
after much pressure from SWMBO, down to:
a Bruce 10kg + 40m x 10mm on the roller/locker,
10kg Delta + 20m x 10mm chain reserve anchor in Gorilla tub,
Brittany(kelp bottoms) 5kg? + 10m 8mm kedge( came with the boat)
and two by 14mm octiplait 30m warps on drums,
and 100m 10mm three strand warp on drum. All eyespliced, thimbled, shackled ready to go on.
Oh, and a 3.5kg Rib mushroom anchor as mud/drudging wieght/ cantenary angel/ pot line sinker, etc.
Still feel I'm in shirt sleeves in January tho'. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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heh! nice list - your anchoring paranoia is to be admired! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
However, my measly 3 (with the spare Danforth without a rope to call it's own) aren't quite 'light kit'.
It's a 44lb (or 20kg if you want to be modern) CQR with 50m of chain- a 45lb Delta with 180foot 3/4 rope and 40 foot 3/8 chain, and a Fortress FX-23 with 150 foot rope / chain. The Danforth is a big lump the size of the FX-23, but steel.
I got a 45lb Manson but the roll bar wouldn't work with my bowsprit arrangement, so I swapped it for the Delta. Same would have happened with a Rocna or Spade, but I'm happy enough. It hasn't been used yet.
Fitted a new port side support roller and deck pin to take the Delta yesterday. Look - they're all shiny!
BTW - I plan to do a definitive anchor thread when I get to the Bahamas and take underwater photos of each anchor set under similar conditions. That should start a few rows!
No comments on the SS shackle please! It's temporary - I've ordered Crosby shackles.
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Three anchors seems a bit of a light kit issue mind;
after much pressure from SWMBO, down to:
a Bruce 10kg + 40m x 10mm on the roller/locker,
10kg Delta + 20m x 10mm chain reserve anchor in Gorilla tub,
Brittany(kelp bottoms) 5kg? + 10m 8mm kedge( came with the boat)
and two by 14mm octiplait 30m warps on drums,
and 100m 10mm three strand warp on drum. All eyespliced, thimbled, shackled ready to go on.
Oh, and a 3.5kg Rib mushroom anchor as mud/drudging wieght/ cantenary angel/ pot line sinker, etc.
Still feel I'm in shirt sleeves in January tho'. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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heh! nice list - your anchoring paranoia is to be admired! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
However, my measly 3 (with the spare Danforth without a rope to call it's own) aren't quite 'light kit'.
It's a 44lb (or 20kg if you want to be modern) CQR with 50m of chain- a 45lb Delta with 180foot 3/4 rope and 40 foot 3/8 chain, and a Fortress FX-23 with 150 foot rope / chain. The Danforth is a big lump the size of the FX-23, but steel.
I got a 45lb Manson but the roll bar wouldn't work with my bowsprit arrangement, so I swapped it for the Delta. Same would have happened with a Rocna or Spade, but I'm happy enough. It hasn't been used yet.
Fitted a new port side support roller and deck pin to take the Delta yesterday. Look - they're all shiny!
BTW - I plan to do a definitive anchor thread when I get to the Bahamas and take underwater photos of each anchor set under similar conditions. That should start a few rows!
No comments on the SS shackle please! It's temporary - I've ordered Crosby shackles.