Which cooker/oven/stove?

The new Force 10 stoves I see - a neighbour has one - have gained an oven thermostat and a glass oven door over older models like mine, bought in the late 90's. The burner caps are different as well. I haven't cooked on a new one but have tried the controls and the new stove seems to work as well as mine. I am pretty familiar with mine as I live aboard.

The new ones are shinier as well.:)
 
When I was cruising full time I had an old 4-burner gas Taylors. Terrific piece of kit - great oven. The burners kept failing & in the end I was cooking on one ring!

I'm trying to get used to the new (old) oven on my F10 - not living aboard anymore (at least at the moment) I haven't really got into using it properly. It's a sturdy, well-built cooker though.
 
Comparison of Old and New Force 10 American Model (4 Burner)

I tried to renovate an old Force 10 American from about 1984. Basically the old burners are not available. I searched the USA online spots and contacted Force 10 direct but had no luck and I tried hard.

The new burners can be retrofitted but they will require a special ring to be welded to the old hob top as the mounting is different. Basically it can be renovated but it is a complete dismantling job and the knobs and their regulators need to be changed out to. So it rapidly became a big job.

I bought a new Force 10 American last year and it is all stainless, no galvanised steel and it is 1" narrower. I struggled really hard to get the old one through that hatch having to partially dismantle it and then twist it through a number of planes to get it up and out the hatch. I was surprised when the new model just slipped through. Of course this meant that I needed spacers on the old mounts.

The new stove is great but I agree that the oven is slower to cook with. It does cook evenly though but not fast. Socal in Southampton still sell the American model. I bought mine online after searching for the best price. It was the last one and was not being restocked, ex showroom model, a bit dusty, but I got a good deal on it.

I cook well on the cocker and much prefer it to 3 burners and others cookers but I don't think its worth the cost considering one can equally cook well on lower cost cookers. Still, the old cooker shell is in excellent condition and where there is a will there is away and it could be refurbished. I didn't have the will.
 
BlowingOldBoots said:
I tried to renovate an old Force 10 American from about 1984. Basically the old burners are not available. I searched the USA online spots and contacted Force 10 direct but had no luck and I tried hard.

I bought a new Force 10 American last year and it is all stainless, no galvanised steel and it is 1" narrower.

The new stove is great but I agree that the oven is slower to cook with. It does cook evenly though but not fast. Socal in Southampton still sell the American model.
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Force 10 was a Canadian company before being purchased by Eno a few years ago. They are still located in Coquitlam, just outside of Vancouver B.C. They have never been American.

The 1" narrower stove is European standard. i have the same size as when I bought it I had a Verl 30.

I don't find the oven slow - fast if anything.
 
mitiempo said:
Force 10 was a Canadian company before being purchased by Eno a few years ago. They are still located in Coquitlam, just outside of Vancouver B.C. They have never been American.

The 1" narrower stove is European standard. i have the same size as when I bought it I had a Verl 30.

I don't find the oven slow - fast if anything.
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Yes I know. There are not that many Canadian suppliers on line but loads of American sites that supply them. I searched far and wide for a set of old style burners. The lady at at the Canadian factory for sales was very helpful in her advice and sent out a new burner (to Bahrain) for me to try.

The new American models are a different width from the old American models and I sure there was no European dimension difference. You can buy a shorter American model.

The oven is slower than other older style Flavel and Neptune types (which required frequent turning to stop the food burning in one place). At least as far as I remember, but still a better oven by far.
 
The dimensions online for the current Force 10 stoves are the same as the 15 year old brochure I have in my manual for both American and European models. Their actual difference is 1 5/8" in width, North American being the larger of the two. Depth and height are the same. There is now a Euro sub-compact that is slightly smaller than the other European models.
 
It looks like my old Force 10 is ex North America model then. The serial number is 88.11.01 /5466, where the 88.11.01 is the build date. As a sign of the standard that Force 10 works to the sales lady was able to determine the model and spare parts list for that version. For example the grill burner is still interchangeable with the current grill burner.
 
Was considering an Eno open sea cooker with grill. TCS Chandelry have them for £899 but unfortunately not in stock to view.

It fits my space nicely (shabby Techimpex at present).

Any thoughts appreciated, also is the Socal shop in Southhampton worth a visit for viewing marine ovens or more of an internet shop?
 
xyachtdave said:
Was considering an Eno open sea cooker with grill. TCS Chandelry have them for £899 but unfortunately not in stock to view.

It fits my space nicely (shabby Techimpex at present).

Any thoughts appreciated, also is the Socal shop in Southhampton worth a visit for viewing marine ovens or more of an internet shop?
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They have a good range on display in the showroom - well worth talking to Peter about the pros and cons of different types.

You may find that you won't have room for a grill cooker. I have just replaced a Techimpex and wanted to keep the height to the same level and use the same gimball points. The only cooker that does that is the Plastimo 2500 without the grill. All the grill cookers are too high and would need new gimball points, as well as then being above the worktop level. Looked at the more expensive cookers with enclosed grills and you end up with a tiny oven and you can't use the oven at the same time as the grill. Also difficult to justify £900 when the Plastimo is £400!
 
Tranona said:
They have a good range on display in the showroom - well worth talking to Peter about the pros and cons of different types.

You may find that you won't have room for a grill cooker. I have just replaced a Techimpex and wanted to keep the height to the same level and use the same gimball points. The only cooker that does that is the Plastimo 2500 without the grill. All the grill cookers are too high and would need new gimball points, as well as then being above the worktop level. Looked at the more expensive cookers with enclosed grills and you end up with a tiny oven and you can't use the oven at the same time as the grill. Also difficult to justify £900 when the Plastimo is £400!
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Thanks Tranona. Might be living without the grill.....

A friend replaced his Techimpex with another one (with a grill). It was such a piece of junk it was sent back. Once the oven had been on, it all warped out of shape, door didn't shut etc.

Think I will visit Southhamton and buy there. It's not something I want to buy twice!
 
I have found that Force 10 have terrible customer service. Always having problems with the oven not getting up to temperature. Changed for GN Espace, UK produced, great customer service from Julian.
 
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