Which boats can do both inland waterway and offshore cruising?

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Dare I suggest a custom built Atlantic or Broom with extra hull stiffeners and an extra layer of cloth if you want a seriously over tough hull low enough for inland, D, SD and planning, but I think you've ruled these two out already.
 
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Oh bloody hell.

That is simply stunning. How much are kidneys worth on the black market?

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just looked at the specs for the 88 fly,
range at 18knots 600nm
range at 10 knots 3000nm
her top speed is 27knots
and carries 18 tonnes of fuel!! at Nov prices £21,600 to fill 'er up.

just to go to the CI's and back would cost you a, kidney, spleen, an eye, never mind the proverbial arm and leg.

but a very classy looking motor yacht
 
OceanFroggie, I think the problem with the Broom/Atlantic boats is that they are not designed for extended offshore cruising at D speeds. They're relatively light and I've never heard of either builder offering stabilizers. Also, they don't carry enough fuel. Whether either builder would customise their boats with heavier build, more fuel capacity and stabilizers, I dunno. But I'd certainly talk to them
 
Lateral thinking

This last post of yours makes me think that your wishes are very close to those expressed by Gludy (maybe with the exception of inland cruising, which he's not so interested in afaik).
And the number of boaters thinking along the same lines can only increase in the future.
But as a matter of fact, at the moment there are not so many boats perfectly fitting the bill.
And even less if you're interested in keeping your knideys where they're supposed to stay.
Unfortunately, close to none, if you try to find a boat that:
a) fits all the requirements, also in terms of quality;
b) costs just an arm and a leg, but not also a kidney, an eye, etc.;
c) is offered by a reliable builder.

So, I'm beginning to think that it could make sense to organize a sort of purchasing group.
There are both good naval architects and builders around the world.
And some pleasure boat yards (or should I rather say "brands"?) are doing just that, already now: they commission the project and sub-contract the building, supervising the whole process a bit and keeping a nice margin for them on top of their actual costs.
I don't think it would be rocket science to do the same ourselves, directly.
Probably some people around here were already successful in even more complicated jobs in their life.
Wouldn't it be nice to apply the same approach to our passion, for a change?

Or am I fantasizing too much?...
 
It has occured to me that any flybridge effectively makes sure that you are prevented from accessing some of the most interesting bits of the worlds navigable waterways.ie.beyond the first low bridge on any river or waterway.
On larger craft specifically designed for long ocean passages,can well under stand the advantage of being able to see a bit further,but the vast majority of small stuff?
What is the attraction in being 5ft above the water as opposed to say 3ft in a non fly and if you want to out in the open air why not buy a tent boat and be done with it and there is all the added expence of control duplication.
Broom do seem to have the best of both worlds.
 
Think Broom do a lot of custom builds, especially for their scandanavian market. I've seen some heavily customised Brooms for Norwegian and Swedish clients. The nordic skippers have some great ideas.
 
Tony, Aquastars are great boats but most of their models have too high an air draft for river work
 
Yes and no. It depends on the height of the flybridge and whether the mast/radar arch can be folded down. We had a happy few months cruising the Thames many years ago in a Turbo 36 which has a flybridge but the radar arch folded down which was essential for bridges like Windsor. In that respect the aft helm type designs like Broom have an advantage
 
Re: Lateral thinking

That sounds good but the chances of getting a bunch of boaters together who will actual agree on what they want would be minimal, especially from this forum. In any case, I would rather buy a production line boat myself, because it's likely to be more reliable, have a service network and a predictable resale value
 
One thing to consider Mike is that lower down inside helm, or indeed aft helm closer to the rolling moment of the boat can be more comfortable for skippers or crew prone to sea sickness compared to an FB. Would any of the HTs or the likes of bigger Nimbus coupe types meet the airdraft and cruising specs required. Most scandanavian makes seem to be Cat A.
 
You're right, thanks. I did look at the link but I missed the virtual brochure. The Aquastar website is so crap. Yup, the 60 has a good layout but I'm not sure about the jets or triple IPS although shaftdrive is an option
I'm still very much at the ideas gathering stage but Aquastar would certainly be on the list of who to talk to
 
Re: Lateral thinking

I understand your concerns re. getting people to agree on everything, but one advantage of my idea is that there is no need to do so. It's just a matter of agreeing on the general boat structure and build materials, find a good project and a reliable builder with a proven track record on that type of boats (most likely in the work boats, rather than pleasure boats segment). All the rest can be customized.
But you're right, it would be a safer bet to buy a production boat from a big and reputable yard.
Trouble is, none of them seem interested in building the kind of boats we're talking about.
 
Re: Lateral thinking

Aquastar 60 sea draught .7 m, air draught 3.5 m
Also cat A if i am not mistaken
I often go past Aquastars buildings and have a look at the boats being built, i believe they will build to your spec and requirements.
I will go and have a look and see if they are building any 60's at the moment and get a few piccys for you , if you wish ?
Tony
 
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