Which 35-38' AWB?

The CWS system... I have been on board a couple, but not sailed one... and was unimpressed.... I am sure it works well... and in every other respect the boats seem great... but on the 36cws that I was on it effectivley cuts the cockpit in two.. with the main cockpit in front of the winch/wheel and a sort of bit aft of this for the helm... I did feel that this was going to be a very poor setup leaving the helmsman isolated and difficult to move forward.... I am sure once you see one you will see what I mean..

Frankly I loved every aspect of the boat.. the interiors are great.. but that was a real deal breaker for me.
 
We traded up from a Jouet 920 to a First 38s5 in 2006. The 38s5 was from 1991, a little older than I was looking for, but it was lightly used and very well prepared for sale by SNIP yachting in Ouistreham, they had taken it in part exchange for a big Bavaria.
We are delighted with our puchase as it has Grace, Pace and Space. It is the two aft cabin version, which is as we wanted because I think that the huge cockpit locker of the alternate version has much space that is difficult to access.
Lovely vessel.
 
ff_nick said:
Would still appreciate some feedback on the Dehler CWS system, as most of the boats for sale seem to have this.
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I've a Dehler CWS and find them good boats. To be fair mine has the duo-CWS system so there are two winches which you can walk between very easily. (I have in fact got five winches fitted including two for the cruising chute and a spare halyard winch at the mast.)

Anyway, most lines actually go to the the CWS winches. You do have to think about it a little to manage, for example the genny sheet and mainsheet, on the same winch, but once you get the right habits it is fine.

I deliberately use the boat just as a cruising boat despite being a racer myself, but on the otherhand she is surprisingly fast and sea-kindly and I know of one that was pretty succesful in RORC racing.

If you check the figures you'll see there's quite a bit of sail area and well-distributed ballast for the size.

If I were to identify one key feature of the boat it is how comfortable she is in a sea. I've also found this of other smaller Dehlers of the same generation. Having sailed a bit on a Dehler 31 I would say she is as good in a F6 as a Sigma 33 (which is not something I'd say lightly) and of course if you've seen the video you'll not get in the way of a Dehler crewed by mad Germans.

I'd say try a few. If you can persuade the owner to take you out for a sail you'll get a good feel for how the boat handles and whether or not you like the CWS system.
 
Twister_Ken said:
And learn to pronounce it. For decades I have been calling it 'Jenno', but looking at the spelling, Jeanne (as, for example, in Jeanne Moreau) is pronounced rather like John in English. So they are Johnnos.

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Jeanne Moreau in a nautical mood.
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I think you need more work on your pronunciation. Recall that the French "j" is closer to our soft "g" than our "j" (and vice versa). So the English "j" is "Jonno" is to hard.
 
ff_nick said:
Would still appreciate some feedback on the Dehler CWS system, as most of the boats for sale seem to have this.
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The earlier models fitted with this, notably the 36CWS and 38CWS, have a single electric winch mounted centrally ahead of the wheel, with all major control lines running through under-deck ducts, which then turn through 90 degrees to the clutches either side of the winch.

This arrangement - and the linear galley - was not (in our opion) as good as the later arrangement we found on the 35CWS that we actually bought.

This has two electric winches & clutches - one each side of the wheel on the coaming. The control lines are still ducted under the deck, but have straighter runs to the winch/clutch (less friction). It makes hoisting, sheeting and reefing/furling main & foresail a doddle for one person standing -or even sitting - behind the wheel.

The wheel is mounted on the front of the binnacle with spokes that curve aft. The wheel is then recessed into the cokpit sole, so you can reach over it to grab a handful of mainsheet when gybing in mendium airs.

There are 2 sets of control buttons for each winch, one on the coaming below the winch (crew) and another set on the binnacle behind the wheel (helm).

This arrangement is also found on the CWS & CR versions of the 37, 39 and 41 (& the 41DS).

I hope this is useful.
 
rudolph_hart said:
The earlier models fitted with this, notably the 36CWS and 38CWS, have a single electric winch mounted centrally ahead of the wheel, with all major control lines running through under-deck ducts, which then turn through 90 degrees to the clutches either side of the winch.

This arrangement - and the linear galley - was not (in our opion) as good as the later arrangement we found on the 35CWS that we actually bought.

This has two electric winches & clutches - one each side of the wheel on the coaming. The control lines are still ducted under the deck, but have straighter runs to the winch/clutch (less friction). It makes hoisting, sheeting and reefing/furling main & foresail a doddle for one person standing -or even sitting - behind the wheel.

The wheel is mounted on the front of the binnacle with spokes that curve aft. The wheel is then recessed into the cokpit sole, so you can reach over it to grab a handful of mainsheet when gybing in mendium airs.

There are 2 sets of control buttons for each winch, one on the coaming below the winch (crew) and another set on the binnacle behind the wheel (helm).

This arrangement is also found on the CWS & CR versions of the 37, 39 and 41 (& the 41DS).

I hope this is useful.
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Very helpful, thanks. I was concerned about the long leads aft, friction and the practicality of having so many lines led to one winch, even before I realized that it also handled the genoa sheets! (Didn't realize that the winch was electric either.) I'll take a look at the later 2 winch versions that you mention.
 
Starlight 35

Without a doubt the best boat you could get in your budget is a Starlight 35. These boats are very high quality similar to Swedish boats, reputedly are not sinkable like the Etap and to top it all sail really well. There are three for sale but you will need to negotiate hard to get one.

Starlight 35's for sale
 
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