Twister_Ken
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Upcoming seminar at Royal Southern.
Where have all the dayboats gone?
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Wansworth
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The dayboat is alive and well in Itchenor,x boats ,swallows and err something else.My summer cruise in June coinsided with the keelboat week....
Sans Bateau
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Wansworth
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lucky I was moored up then!
Jamesuk
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Squibs!! I love the SB20's just wish it had hydraulic roller reefing and inmast furling (Joke)
Wansworth
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Hains have built a GRP version of the boat I cant recall...something like a Yarmouth o.d,classic lines
Wansworth
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Sunbeam.
Seajet
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Dayboats seem to be slowly but significantly increasing in numbers at my club.
I suspect this is due to the increasing average age of all sailors, there's not much new blood coming into sailing during the recession.
This seems a huge shame to me, I got into sailing by saving up pocket money for a 10' dinghy, then my Dad built our Anderson 22 from a kit.
Nowadays people don't have the skills to complete boats, and seem happier to pay megabucks for the 'finished' item...
Dinghy sailors in slightly ill health and not wishing to go places in a cruiser naturally progress to daysailer keelboats.
I suspect this is due to the increasing average age of all sailors, there's not much new blood coming into sailing during the recession.
This seems a huge shame to me, I got into sailing by saving up pocket money for a 10' dinghy, then my Dad built our Anderson 22 from a kit.
Nowadays people don't have the skills to complete boats, and seem happier to pay megabucks for the 'finished' item...
Dinghy sailors in slightly ill health and not wishing to go places in a cruiser naturally progress to daysailer keelboats.
jerrytug
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No offence,but what's the point of a 'day' boat? Too big to carry on roofrack,too tiny to sleep on board on a little passage round the coast or to France,but with all the expense of a pocket cruiser,what's the point?
jerrytug
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'day' boats have changed,for whatever reason,from entry level to rich man's plaything,like classic MG racing cars,look at the SCODs in Haslar etc.
Seajet
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I used to think the same.
However recently the weather has been grot, and a couple of weeks ago I took my chum Vern of these forums for a trundle around Chichester Harbour; it involved reasonably close manouvering under sail, and reminded me what I was missing.
There's a lot of fun to be had with dayboats, though self draining on the mooring, getting hoisted in / out and winter maintenance are subjects which need to be studied.
Judders
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I will be at the Southern on the day as I am entered in a race. Sadly I wont be able to join in for the same reason but it is an interesting queston.
The Suthern's own Dayboat problems are of their own making in tha the re is a culture of going for the most expensive and not the most accesable. So anyone who doens think a J80 is a sensible dayboat is not sailing from the SOuthern.
The SB3 has died a death at the club that is more sudden than most.
there used to be a good Squib fleet on the Hamble but unfortunaely there was a failure to encourage it because it became too cheap.
...then we had a recession.
I put a lot of work into trying to revise mini-toners on the river but in the end I got together with a mini-tonner owner and we bought a bigger boat so that we had people to race against.
The Suthern's own Dayboat problems are of their own making in tha the re is a culture of going for the most expensive and not the most accesable. So anyone who doens think a J80 is a sensible dayboat is not sailing from the SOuthern.
The SB3 has died a death at the club that is more sudden than most.
there used to be a good Squib fleet on the Hamble but unfortunaely there was a failure to encourage it because it became too cheap.
...then we had a recession.
I put a lot of work into trying to revise mini-toners on the river but in the end I got together with a mini-tonner owner and we bought a bigger boat so that we had people to race against.
Wansworth
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What coiuld be nicer.......house over looking the harbour,get the bike out and cycle down to the club...launch out to the Sunbeam..after the race a pint in the bar.....
Greenheart
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Just wondering...do we draw any significant distinction between non-extreme sailing keelboats, and dayboats?
Isn't a dayboat any small sailing yacht without permanent weatherproof accommodation?
Is the Hawk 20, a dayboat? Flying Fifteen? Drascome Lugger?
And how about Dragons, Etchells, Daring class, etc?
And obscure ex-Olympic designs? Soling, Tempest, Yngling? Are they dayboats?
I'll stop now, I've run out of question marks.
Isn't a dayboat any small sailing yacht without permanent weatherproof accommodation?
Is the Hawk 20, a dayboat? Flying Fifteen? Drascome Lugger?
And how about Dragons, Etchells, Daring class, etc?
And obscure ex-Olympic designs? Soling, Tempest, Yngling? Are they dayboats?
I'll stop now, I've run out of question marks.
jerrytug
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flog the house and put the millions in to restoring the Adelaide,could be nicer.
Seajet
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Just wondering...do we draw any significant distinction between non-extreme sailing keelboats, and dayboats?
Isn't a dayboat any small sailing yacht without permanent weatherproof accommodation?
Is the Hawk 20, a dayboat? Flying Fifteen? Drascome Lugger?
And how about Dragons, Etchells, Daring class, etc?
And obscure ex-Olympic designs? Soling, Tempest, Yngling? Are they dayboats?
I'll stop now, I've run out of question marks.
Dan,
I'm sure the Hawk 20 must be good for something, but it's passed me by.
At East Cowes - when there was a really pleasant visitor section - I pointed a Hawk 20 out to a novice chum in an Anderson 22, " can you believe that thing over there costs over £20,000 !
About 5 seconds later an elderly bloke in a big RIB T-Boned it into the pontoon...
penfold
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Day boats are a toy, so in straitened times people will want either better value or lower cost. The classes mentioned in the link, 1720, 707, SB3, are high performance boats which need new sails every 2 years or so to remain competitive, cannot realistically be cruised, are relatively lightly built so are prone to damage when handled clumsily. They do not appear to be friendly to the tyro either. When looking at £4+k every 2 years for a suit of flappy things, owners will either look to downsize or want to go to a cruiser racer like a Snotty etc, to get that better value.
My local club sail Loch Longs, numbers of active boats have been stable here for the last few years and the numbers at Aldeburgh rising slowly in that time.
My local club sail Loch Longs, numbers of active boats have been stable here for the last few years and the numbers at Aldeburgh rising slowly in that time.
Greenheart
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About 5 seconds later an elderly bloke in a big RIB T-Boned it into the pontoon...
Ouch! Yes, I'm not wild about the Hawk's looks, and the price is insane, but I was wondering what distinguishes a 'dayboat' from a 'keelboat'. I'm guessing nothing does...we basically mean boats which aren't dinghies, and don't have cabins. I always liked the old Dragons, best.
Lakesailor
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If you sail somewhere like the lakes a Hawk 20 makes excellent sense. If you are day-sailing the cabin accommodation of a yacht is literally a waste-of-space storage area.Dan,
I'm sure the Hawk 20 must be good for something, but it's passed me by.
About 5 seconds later an elderly bloke in a big RIB T-Boned it into the pontoon...
The fact that some old fart in a MOBO hit a stationary one is no case against them.
You can't (shouldn't) judge everything by your own rather narrow values.
Seajet
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Well over £20K for a Hawk 20
certainly is daft, ( I wonder about the prices of nearly as useless Shrimpers too ) there are loads of good boats available for much less; I'm thinking of anything from Wanderers to Brightlingsea One Designs, Yeoman / Kinsman, Hunter 19's, Tracers, Squibs, Devon Yawls, the list goes on; all at a fraction of the silly price of the Hawk 20: if I was paying that sort of dosh I'd want a seriously capable boat able to cross the Channel and accommodate self and a chum or two.
I have to say I think that sensible, not a narrow minded approach from too much recent experience playing about on lakes where I sailed as a boy.
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