Where do you stow the tender?

[Robin]

When we lived on a 'fast trawler' the tender ( a 3.1m RIB and 10hp outboard) was carried in chocks on the sundeck hardtop, lifted up there by a small electric crane. this gave an unobstructed view of the stern from the flybridge as well as left the swim platform clear for someone to step ashore from.

now looking at different live aboard options for back in Europe, many if not most of the boats on sale are seen in their brokerage pictures with stern davits but no tender hanging in them. Is this to aid clear view /line handling or just because the seller wants to keep the tender? We are on a limited budget but will need a decent tender. Unlike on a sailboat the option of lifting it on board with help from a halyard on the mast and stowing on the foredeck is not a simple solution in between trips. I'm trying to imagine the best way to a) have a tender ready to launch and use b) to have a clear view for reversing into a berth c) to leave a clear step ashore whilst docking for the chosen line handler, ie not being head bashed by a swinging dink..

TIA

Robin

 

[Portofino]

On the bathing platform .Incredibly simple the Passerelle acts as a crane .Theres a rack thingy on rollers under it .
Just lower it ,pick up the tender ,lift ,extend ,drop it in .Quick /easy .,

Depends on your boat ,what on your short list you have said for eu ?

Better than this ?

 

[Robin]

On the bathing platform .Incredibly simple the Passerelle acts as a crane .Theres a rack thingy on rollers under it .
Just lower it ,pick up the tender ,lift ,extend ,drop it in .Quick /easy .,

Depends on your boat ,what on your short list you have said for eu ?

Better than this ?

I had come across the passarelle lift option on a couple of boats for sale and it seems a good idea other than having a girt great swim platform to add significantly to annual berthing costs and dock bashing risks! I hadn't thought of the support chocks on rollers option which makes sense To clear the access rotes on/off. I'm still a numptie in mobos after 50 plus years with rags and sticks, my only limited experience being in the USA ICW and the folks there are not near as knowledgeable or inventive, but just throw more money at solutions.

BTW I assume there is a lifting davit on that last boat pic or does the owner sink the boat and float it on/off?

 

[benjenbav]

Robin - Hurricane started an interesting thread on here about a year or 18 months ago about putting chocks for his tender at the rear of the flybridge on his Princess 67. I would have a hunt around but am in the middle of something else. I think it might have been entitled winter upgrades or something like that

 

[MapisM]

BTW I assume there is a lifting davit on that last boat pic or does the owner sink the boat and float it on/off?

Correct assumption - and it's actually a pretty substantial crane!
You can see its white arm sticking out of the tender bow, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were rated for 1000Kg or even more.
Btw, that solution makes a lot of sense on these convertibles, as they call them over the Pond.
In fact, I believe that particular one is a Viking - a yard who knows a thing or three about these boats...

 

[Phildorset]

i'm another with their dinghy on chocks on the swim platform, and use the passarelle to lift it up and out, have just had to make up some new chocks though to get it another foot aft so as we can move from side to side between it and the boat when berthing. For ten years the previous owners must have been climbing over it?! Sorted now (it's not helped by us only having one 'gate' down to the platform... med style stern designed for stern to berthing.

 

[Robin]

Correct assumption - and it's actually a pretty substantial crane!
You can see its white arm sticking out of the tender bow, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were rated for 1000Kg or even more.
Btw, that solution makes a lot of sense on these convertibles, as they call them over the Pond.
In fact, I believe that particular one is a Viking - a yard who knows a thing or three about these boats...

We had a similar lifting davit on our live aboard 47 but st the back end on top, gave me vertigo using it.

Robin - Hurricane started an interesting thread on here about a year or 18 months ago about putting chocks for his tender at the rear of the flybridge on his Princess 67. I would have a hunt around but am in the middle of something else. I think it might have been entitled winter upgrades or something like that
Read more at http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?474134-Where-do-you-stow-the-tender#uDrrOkFgpeDwdrH5.99

67 is way above our paygrade, I should have said we are looking at something sub 100,000 squids, (in the UK) max and age no barrier. Biggest contender a Princess 45 or 415 or similar down to various SD Brooms around 37ft. We don't have the funds yet until our condo is sold so still open minded as todays market may be entirely different cometh the day.

 

[paul salliss]

I have got a brand new Cabrio and the transom on the dinghy folds forward and contains the outboard so when stowed the whole engine is safely stored within the dinghy. It's genuius. BUT it's for sale if anyone want to buy it as need a bigger one ((The Yamaha engine is fabulous)

 

[Portofino]

I hadn't thought of the support chocks on rollers option which makes sense To clear the access rotes on/off. )

Robin the chocks just sit in on the platform ,(although they just lift off if want a clear platform ) .

The roller thingy is on the underside of the Passerelle frame ,so you can slide the payload back n forth as you wish ,by hand to finalise ,detail the position .
This is on top of extending /retracting hydraulically .

Disadvantage is you have to lift to Passerelle to max up,when anchored and tender off ,to get it out of the way .
Advantage is if or when it needs a technician to fix ,it's a day or 1/2 day labour .
Box retracting Passerelles on the boat size you are looking at need 1 day to remove ,1 day to repair ,and a 3 rd day to reinstall .A box also called cassette will prob not be able to lift the tender cos they tend to be fitted on one side and v low down .Not central or high up .
So with a boat with a cassette and a decent tender ( not a small man hand able one ) you will need additional lifting gear .

 

[jfm]

Correct assumption - and it's actually a pretty substantial crane!
You can see its white arm sticking out of the tender bow, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were rated for 1000Kg or even more.
Btw, that solution makes a lot of sense on these convertibles, as they call them over the Pond.
In fact, I believe that particular one is a Viking - a yard who knows a thing or three about these boats...

Yup. That tender is a Novu 460 with Yam 90, so 650kg approx. Photo shows the deep V of the Novu very well.

 

[Robin]

i'm another with their dinghy on chocks on the swim platform, and use the passarelle to lift it up and out, have just had to make up some new chocks though to get it another foot aft so as we can move from side to side between it and the boat when berthing. For ten years the previous owners must have been climbing over it?! Sorted now (it's not helped by us only having one 'gate' down to the platform... med style stern designed for stern to berthing.

So in your case there was space to pass between dinghy and stern to get on and off the platform? I'm still puzzled slightly by seeing boats for sale with snazzy S/S davits and no tender in sight. Is that because they are keeping the tender for a new boat or have put it elsewhere to keep the stern boarding possibilities from the pontoons open? ( a fully inflatable would work, as in deflate and stow in a locker, but not so easy with a RIB). We used to carry a Zodiac Fastroller fully inflated on the foredeck of a 41 ft sailboat but at least had a halyard and mast winch to help us lift it on board and a tackle system on the stern to lift off the outboard. Such gizmos are not normally there on mobos so thinking of how best to achieve the objective. We are both wrinklies and will want clear, safe access on/off with easy access to a tender when we need it when away from home. RIB in davits works for the passage making bit but could be obstructive to access in a berth especially if stern to.

I'm probably over thinking the potential for problems here but that is my personal paranoia.

 

[Bouba]

This is the correct way to launch a tender

 

[CX54WEK]

We had a similar lifting davit on our live aboard 47 but st the back end on top, gave me vertigo using it.



67 is way above our paygrade, I should have said we are looking at something sub 100,000 squids, (in the UK) max and age no barrier. Biggest contender a Princess 45 or 415 or similar down to various SD Brooms around 37ft. We don't have the funds yet until our condo is sold so still open minded as todays market may be entirely different cometh the day.

The boats you have mentioned there are more likely to have davits for the tender rather then it sat on the platform.

 

[Portofino]

This is the correct way to launch a tender
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If you are happy with the risk of the prop clattering the boat ?
One a small boat it take up valuable space up top
Not an issue on a 65 ftr + .

 

[Bouba]

If you are happy with the risk of the prop clattering the boat ?
One a small boat it take up valuable space up top
Not an issue on a 65 ftr + .

Of course on a 65footer space is not a problem
But on a 35footer is it better to take up its assigned space on top, leaving plenty of room to still socialize, or the entire swim platform. Blocking access to the shore?

 

[Hurricane]

Robin - Hurricane started an interesting thread on here about a year or 18 months ago about putting chocks for his tender at the rear of the flybridge on his Princess 67. I would have a hunt around but am in the middle of something else. I think it might have been entitled winter upgrades or something like that

Initially, there are two issues to overcome.
The size of the dinghy itself and somewhere to put it.
Once you have cracked those issues, you can use technology.

One of the reasons that we went for a Princess 67 in the first place was that we could get the dinghy out of the way.
In fact, the boat was designed to have the dinghy stowed on the flybridge.
We then chose a relatively light dinghy - the Walker Bay.
I then had chocks made that the dinghy could be moved from the flybridge to the bathing platform - same chocks - just moved them from one place to the other.
This solution worked for us for 7 years.

Here are some pics
Dinghy on the flybridge - sorry crane not stowed.

Same dinghy - on the bathing platform - too lazy to put it away.

The crane's base is offset - fixed to the starboard side.
So, most of the lifting is done off the side of the boat - like this

But the crane still reaches so that the dinghy can be lowered onto the bathing platfrom

About 4 years ago, we invested in a Jetski.
We never stowed the Jetski on the flybridge but the crane was powerful enough to lift it onto the bathing platform.
In this case, we had the dinghy stowed on the flybridge and the Jetski on the bathing platform.

Last year, we sold both the dinghy and the Jetski and replaced then with a 4.3n Novurania.
Last year, we stowed the new (heavier) dinghy on the flybridge.

The idea was that it would never fit on the bathing platform so we would tow it between anchorages instead of lifting it back up to the flybridge every time.
However, towing is a PIA
There is a lot of load on the tow line and we didn't want to risk towing faster than 10 knots - I have seen lots of people towing faster though.

At the end of last season, we were just putting the Novurania away on the flybridge for the winter and I thought (just for the heck of it) to see how big it was on the bathing platform.
There was no way it was going fit.
I was wrong - it fits perfectly for going between anchorages and even planing.
I have since modified the Novurania chocks so (like the Walker Bay) they can be fitted onto the flybridge or the bathing platform as required.

 

[MapisM]

I have since modified the Novurania chocks so (like the Walker Bay) they can be fitted onto the flybridge or the bathing platform as required.

I don't remember to have seen that yet, a very nice job indeed! :encouragement:
You're lucky to have a deck with fingers though - there's no way you could use the passerelle with the Novu on the swim platform, I suppose?

 

[Hurricane]

there's no way you could use the passerelle with the Novu on the swim platform, I suppose?

Correct - that would be an "ask too far"
It means that if we are going into port, we need to put the dinghy up on top or offload it before we berth.
I say offload because a big dinghy might be useful to go places after the boat is berthed - depends on the marina though.

EDIT
The pic above was when I was testing it out.
I did the work fitting the chocks last November - here's the result

I also made some fillets with some left over teak.
The chocks are probably strong enough but I thought it would be safer and neater this way.

 

[Robin]

cor, what was the leftover teak from, that is pure gold !

Joking aside what I am seeing since I asked my original question, is basically the solution adopted in the USA but still leaves me puzzling how to get on/off the boat to a finger berth/pontoon dock if the tender is carried hung in stern davits or sits on the swim platform. We will not have the luxury of a huge mother ship nor the power and availability of dockside cranes. The simple swing up dinghy stowed vertical option has appeal but would also be a significant wall to prevent easy access via the stern. getting on and off via the side decks would be nice but hard for us wrinklies with the usual high topsides unless a decent ladder is incorporated or having steps fixed on the finger, ( not so easy in a visitor berth). SWMBO Informs me that her jump-off days are over, genteel stepping is now the name of the game for both of us

We live now overlooking the ICW in Florida and routinely watch American boats dragging huge tenders, rigid and RIB, astern often at some speed which looks a bad idea to me not to mention being a huge handicap whilst docking..

So for those with old fashioned davits, is there still room to get down behind or under the tender to step ashore?

 

[CharlieAlpha]

As Hurricane mentioned it all about what you want and the compromise you may have to make to get there. We needed a comfortable and steady tender and yes a bit big for the boat but weight was limited to 200Kg so the passerelle could lift it. The result it fits it works but we have limited space to exit the boat but it is a good 1/2 metre and we cope