When does wearin a lifejacket become silly?

[Twister_Ken]

Quite right, we can't afford to lose Julia.

 

[mlines]

Outside Waitrose last Friday?

...oh wait - they were collecting for the RNLI

 

[ninky]

The loverly Julia Bradbury p ) was wearing one on Country File on Sunday whilst out tope fishing in Ireland but the chap whose boat she was on wasn't.

that's probably because the presenter is seen as having been put in the situation by production (therefore their responsibility), whilst it could be argued the boat owner would have been in the situation anyway. there are different considerations and responsibilities for those who are the subject of "directed action".

 

[sea]

When you windsurf.
No, it's not a joke. Try free yourself when you are under the sail and are wearing a lifejacket. It's difficult. You need to be able to swim under the water fast.

Quite true, been windsurfing since i was 4 and never ever wore a lifejacket, some south west water resevoirs have it as a general rule tho. It can be a benefit when water starting to help fly the rig, but appart from that it only gets in the way. I have always thought that the board has enough bouyancy to keep me afloat (if im still concious). Even when i have been in sticky situations the fact i was without a buoyancy aid didn't cross my mind.

 

[NickiCrutchfield]

And still so little discussion about methods of preventing one falling off in the first place.

 

[mcframe]

"When someone else feels the need to *tell* *me* to wear one."

But then, I'm an adult.

(the kids wear theirs in dinghy/cockpit* - I tend to wear mine more (a) to set an example and (b) 'cos I might run to the foredeck.)

* But, of course, they should not be worn for dinner on the poop-deck when at anchor ;-)

 

[DogWatch]

The moment you decide not to wear one in fear of the sniggerers, fence peepers and knockers who live on this forum, it is damn right stupid.

If you want to wear one do
If you don't, don't

if you judge or snigger at people who choose to, then shame on you.

Bored to death of this constantly resurfacing subject now, how in the hell does somebody else wearing a lifejacket affect anyone else on the planet, now even the newbie is off on one, mocking others again, jeez, get a life.

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

The moment you decide not to wear one in fear of the sniggerers, fence peepers and knockers who live on this forum, it is damn right stupid.

If you want to wear one do
If you don't, don't

if you judge or snigger at people who choose to, then shame on you.

Bored to death of this constantly resurfacing subject now, how in the hell does somebody else wearing a lifejacket affect anyone else on the planet, now even the newbie is off on one, mocking others again, jeez, get a life.

Dogwatch, are you saying that someone on this forum has said that other people should not wear life jacket? Or that someone has judged or sniggered at people wearing lifejackets?

I've not noticed this.

Can you point me at one of the posts you describe so I can read it for myself.

 

[ADLS]

You can die in 2" of water if your face is submerged in it but would a lifejacket save you????

Safety has to be job/activity specific and not just thought up by a desk bound clerk who hasnt done anything more hazadus than sharpen a pencil. In the Uk he would have to have a craft knife certificate to do even that!!!!!

On tunnel projects we were made to wear Hi Vi vest but after several men were traped on protruding hand rails etc on Tunnel Boring Machine backup units. They companys changed to HiVi stripped T shirts and HiVi banded trousers, this cut down on being snagged and the trouser were a great success.

To kit out with full PPE for a tunnel inspection would consist of the following. Safety helmet, safety glass's, HiVi shirt/trousers or coverall, gloves, leather recue belt/harnes, toetector boots, minors lamp & battery pack weighing 1.5kls. rebreather unit 3kls and a radio working on a leaky feeder. plus of course a note book, pen, tape measure and crack guage now try getting into a gallop wearing that lot.

I would never snigger at anyone wearing a lifejacket as one they may have a medical problem that falling into water might trigger, two maybe they can't swim and three maybe mum told em to.

Think safe but do work out if wearing items of PPE in fact make it more dangerous!!!

 

[Csail]

So why is it just UK? When sailing abroad nobody wears them!

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

I would never snigger at anyone wearing a lifejacket

Nor me. Should be interesting when Dogwatch points out the posts that have sniggered at other people wearing LJs.

 

[Amulet]

After three man overboard situations, 2 with, 1 without lifejackets, all in apparently low-risk conditions, we wear them almost always on Amulet.

I suppose we are subverting evolution - not wearing life jackets could help remove the falling-overboard gene from the gene pool.

Sniggering - nearly ?

Snowleopard's thread title:

"When does wearin a lifejacket become silly?"

implies that there are situations where it is silly (hard to deny). His reference to punting on he Cam implies that it is at least a candidate for a "silliness" diagnosis. I think a (perhaps non-swimmer) who feels safer should wear one even on the Cam. Maybe a tv program with people wearing them makes it clear that not only pansies do so - (or perhaps the contrary?)

My irrationality: I never wear one around the marina. I think perhaps more than half of the fatal accidents around where I sail have a result of falling in from the pontoons.

 

[AlanRD]

After a recent H & S risk analysis the BBC have anounced that all actors being filmed in the bath need to wear a lifejcket.

Now that would be silly but why don't I think it would never occur.

I remember watching BBC Breakfast about a year ago when the interviewer (can't remember who) was standing in a river wearing a lifejacket. No problem with that, except that when the camera zoomed out to wide angle it was possible to see the river was a two metre wide stream and the interviewer was wearing wellie boots with the water level only just at ankle level.

Does anyone know exactly what the BBC rules are for their staff, or does water mean any type of water and we will soon see people wearing lifejackets when standing in a puddle?

 

[stav]

I would feel silly wearing a lifejacket when I had been told to do so by a third person especially if that third person is clearly a well endowed charity and manages to hickjack articles on web sites about the death of a poor sailor with tenuious links about how their good publicity is creating positive action and the extended tenuious link about wearing them in other countires. The closest one to the UK being Ireland where the unfortunate sailor would not have had to wear one due to the length of the boat, (or am I wrong here would he have had to wear one at night)?

Obvioulsy if as a charity you specifiy that your helpers wear 20kg of boots and clothing a life jacket would also seem normal, additionally it presents well to the public.

Why does this iritate me so because I am diabetic and am waiting to be told by an agency ohh you can't do that (go sailing). When I have selected a boat suitable for me that I can manage single handed etc and I enjoy, still, just about the freedom of the water.

 

[ianat182]

When does wearing a lifejacket become silly......

When being a burial at sea !!


ianat182

 

[wotayottie]

So why is it just UK? When sailing abroad nobody wears them!

That's cos they iz foreigners and a bit dim.

 

[wotayottie]

Does anyone know exactly what the BBC rules are for their staff, or does water mean any type of water and we will soon see people wearing lifejackets when standing in a puddle?

Daughter works at the Beeb.

You need to realise that the Beeb is a huge bureaucracy and is more akin to an academic institution with all the politicking, power play and backbiting that goes on. People with ambition pick up agendas like H&S and run with them as a way of making a career. Common sense and economy just doesnt come into it. The objective of the game is to stop competitors scoring points ( "did you see that the presenter on ..... program was taking risks and giving a bad example to the public") and to score one against them

Bit like local government really.

 

[Poignard]

Outside Waitrose last Friday?

...oh wait - they were collecting for the RNLI

The area around our local branch of Waitrose often floods after heavy rain so it might not be a bad idea

 

[LONG_KEELER]

My irrationality: I never wear one around the marina. I think perhaps more than half of the fatal accidents around where I sail have a result of falling in from the pontoons.

Think that's the case in most places.

There should probably be a sign in the marina bar saying :-

' After 2 pints you must wear a lifejacket '

 

[toad_oftoadhall]

My irrationality: I never wear one around the marina. I think perhaps more than half of the fatal accidents around where I sail have a result of falling in from the pontoons.

Half? It sounds like a lot of people die falling of pontoons in your area. Where are you and how many people have died falling off pontoons in the last few years?