What's the difference between a gentle and moderate breeze?

franksingleton said:
Sorry chaps. The Beaufort scale has been used by sailors internationally since 1853. Perhaps you lot are not sailors.
If you want some different interpretations, some are at Historical and Contemporary Versions of the Beaufort Scale - Franks-Weather - The Weather Window
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We particularly enjoy the landsman’s version, where it says ‘umbrellas used with difficulty’. Many years ago, after a hospital fete on a breezy day, we modified this phrase to read ‘wrap skirts worn with difficulty’. Just as true today, and Mrs C will always check the weather forecast before wearing such a garment.
 
Whoosh.

It's both the difference in sound between a gentle and a moderate breeze... and the sound of the difference between this thread and the Beaufort Scale (with which it appears we are all familiar) going over someone's head. The difference between Wansworth and Chiara's perception of the same breeze in the same boat, even allowing that both are exaggerating for comic effect, is closer to the point.

The faint feeling one gets from Chiara's Slave that people who enjoy their Centaurs are somehow having the wrong kind of fun is already familiar, but Wansworth's Centaur to Smack comparison is new to me. I struggle to imagine a Centaur becoming smack-like. Or do you just mean that they are out of place outside the East Coast?

I had imagined a Centaur would probably suit Wansworth...
 
justanothersailboat said:
Whoosh.

It's both the difference in sound between a gentle and a moderate breeze... and the sound of the difference between this thread and the Beaufort Scale (with which it appears we are all familiar) going over someone's head. The difference between Wansworth and Chiara's perception of the same breeze in the same boat, even allowing that both are exaggerating for comic effect, is closer to the point.

The faint feeling one gets from Chiara's Slave that people who enjoy their Centaurs are somehow having the wrong kind of fun is already familiar, but Wansworth's Centaur to Smack comparison is new to me. I struggle to imagine a Centaur becoming smack-like. Or do you just mean that they are out of place outside the East Coast?

I had imagined a Centaur would probably suit Wansworth...
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All I’m suggesting js that it takes a decent amount of wind to start having fun in a centuar. A little more wind than that is required to have fun at a hospital fete.
 
Stemar said:
I quite like the French version I saw, that said

F9 - Dogs blown off their chains
F10- Owners blown after their dogs.

Unfortunately, I can't remember the rest of it.
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Probably something like
F11 Owner and dog reunited somewhere in the atmosphere
 
I know that philosophical musing is not a strong point in these threads. However, it interests me how ideas develop and people build on work of others. Beaufort did not invent the scale of winds. Effectively, he took a scale used by the East India company and put formal, recognisable definitions (at the time) to the numbers.
Buys-Ballot did not discover his eponymous rule. He put into words a result of work by two Americans, William Ferrell and Jack Coffin who applied the Coriolis effect to the atmosphere.
Hadley is immortalised because of his description of the Trade Winds. His reasoning of the causes was incorrect, back to Ferrell and Coffin.
Perhaps like most science, there is rarely a Eureka moment.
 
franksingleton said:
I know that philosophical musing is not a strong point in these threads. However, it interests me how ideas develop and people build on work of others. Beaufort did not invent the scale of winds. Effectively, he took a scale used by the East India company and put formal, recognisable definitions (at the time) to the numbers.
Buys-Ballot did not discover his eponymous rule. He put into words a result of work by two Americans, William Ferrell and Jack Coffin who applied the Coriolis effect to the atmosphere.
Hadley is immortalised because of his description of the Trade Winds. His reasoning of the causes was incorrect, back to Ferrell and Coffin.
Perhaps like most science, there is rarely a Eureka moment.
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I think that is very generally true. The fame acquired is not generally the fault of the innovators (I will except Edison) but they almost always build on the work of some predecessor, such as Newton on Galileo, Darwin on his grandfather and Einstein on Lorentz and others. I can't remember his name but in your field there was that young man who classified clouds. I have a book about him somewhere and it was very interesting, though I think that his insights were actually original.
 
johnalison said:
I think that is very generally true. The fame acquired is not generally the fault of the innovators (I will except Edison) but they almost always build on the work of some predecessor, such as Newton on Galileo, Darwin on his grandfather and Einstein on Lorentz and others. I can't remember his name but in your field there was that young man who classified clouds. I have a book about him somewhere and it was very interesting, though I think that his insights were actually original.
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Luke Howard.
 
Windspeed is kinda irrelevant really as long as the sea state is OK..

Also interesting how a moderate breeze corresponds to a moderate sea state. The latter - up to 2.5 significant so around 4m max can be 'challenging' to say the least..
 
Wansworth said:
Who knows what a Smackis unless there from the East coast,A Centaur is the modern equivalent !
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I don't think Smacks were limited to the East coast. I think a fleet operated out of Brixham. The important thing is to be able to tell one apart from a Bawley.
 

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This
A smack near BrightlingseaCalm in Gloucester Harbor, by Carlton Theodore Chapman, c. 1890, shows American fishing smacks (Brooklyn Museum).
A smack was a traditional fishing boatused off the coast of Britain and the Atlantic coast of America for most of the 19th century and, in small numbers, up to the Second World War. Many larger smacks were originally cutter-rigged sailing boats until about 1865, when smacks had become so large that cutter main booms were unhandy. The smaller smacks retained the gaff cutter rig. The larger smacks were lengthened and re-rigged and new ketch-rigged smacks were built, but boats varied from port to port. Some boats had a topsail on the mizzen mast, while others had a bowsprit carrying a jib.
Large numbers of smacks operated in fleets from ports in the UK such as Brixham, Grimsby and Lowestoft as well as at locations along the Thames Estuary. In England the sails were white cotton until a proofing coat was applied, usually after the sail was a few years old. This gave the sails its distinctive red ochre colour, which made them a picturesque sight in large numbers.[1] Smacks were often rebuilt into steam boats in the 1950s.
Smacks were developed to transport live lobsters during the late 1700s. They were designed to allow seawater to circulate in a tank with holes in it. [2]
 

What's the difference between a gentle and moderate breeze?​

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Moody owners have sails stowed and run engines.
Which way round depends on whether coming or going to an Owners Meet...

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