What would you do ?

Perfect. Many thanks for your reasoned response. The boat was "repaired" in 5 months and back sailing. Ample time for rewiring, repairing damaged bulkheads, resolving hull breaches, fairing damage to keel, replacing rudder and prop, renewing standing rigging etc.etc.
Perhaps you are a repairer of boats and could carry out these tasks within the time constraints, if so, Sir I salute you.
 
GrumpyOldGit said:
Perfect. Many thanks for your reasoned response. The boat was "repaired" in 5 months and back sailing. Ample time for rewiring, repairing damaged bulkheads, resolving hull breaches, fairing damage to keel, replacing rudder and prop, renewing standing rigging etc.etc.
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What part of that list do you think should take more than five months? Replacing riggng, for example, should take no longer than dropping the old stuff of and collecting replacements. Fitting a prop takes, what, a couple of hours? Fitting a replacement rudder is almost certainly quicker than repairing an old one.

Of course it could be a complete bodge, but not necessarily, and if it is a complete bodge then I would expect that to be easily noticeable.
 
JumbleDuck said:
Of course it could be a complete bodge, but not necessarily, and if it is a complete bodge then I would expect that to be easily noticeable.
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From experience, unless you have some experience you might see the symptoms but not recognise what they mean.

Sadly, not all surveyors pick up on such things either. I just happened to see a survey for a boat that I previously skipped on because it had a similar issue. Nothing was mentioned.
 
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''I understand that the yacht lost its rudder in approx 2008 in Spain due to it hitting a rock on the bottom. There was also some minor damage to the area around where the rudder stock enters the hull. The yacht was brought back to the UK by road and a new rudder was professionally built and damaged area around the rudder stock professionally repaired''.
 
I think the OP has good motives but I think the process needs thinking through. The feeling seems to be that surveyors are no good, but an email from 'a well wisher' should have some equivalent weight?
All seems a bit Tripadvisor, which may be fair enough with businesses, but boat owners?
If someone expressed inside knowledge of my boat, possibly after being invited on board for a cuppa,and posted publicly I'd not be happy.
As an aside, my last boat was a complete loss in Ramsgate when less than two years old when it hooked a keel on piling, ripped it off and sank.
The repairs were such that I only out after I sold it- (This was 25 yrs later...)
 
NickRobinson said:
I think the OP has good motives but I think the process needs thinking through. The feeling seems to be that surveyors are no good, but an email from 'a well wisher' should have some equivalent weight?
All seems a bit Tripadvisor, which may be fair enough with businesses, but boat owners?
If someone expressed inside knowledge of my boat, possibly after being invited on board for a cuppa,and posted publicly I'd not be happy.
As an aside, my last boat was a complete loss in Ramsgate when less than two years old when it hooked a keel on piling, ripped it off and sank.
The repairs were such that I only out after I sold it- (This was 25 yrs later...)
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I dont think it is a comment about surveyors,the OP obviously has in depth knowledge on the boat


repairs have been done,BUT the question seems to be have they been done to a standard that you would be happy with and to part with your money for
 
hartcjhart said:
I dont think it is a comment about surveyors,the OP obviously has in depth knowledge on the boat


repairs have been done,BUT the question seems to be have they been done to a standard that you would be happy with and to part with your money for
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I note your point about surveyors usefulness, but still we need to accept that its open season to name boats and possibly make them unsaleable by uninsured private opinions to accept the OP's decision to go public. I'd hate to read public posts by third parties about my paintwork....
 
hartcjhart said:
repairs have been done,BUT the question seems to be have they been done to a standard that you would be happy with and to part with your money for
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That's what the viewing and the surveyor are for, aren't they? We are always told that you must offer on what you can see, not on how the boat actually is.
 
GrumpyOldGit said:
What would you do, If you saw a boat ( Dufour 39) advertised for sale, knowing that it had been a total loss, sunk, and had then been 'Home repaired' and was being advertised as very good condition ?

In a quandary about this because the boat may well have hidden issues with wiring etc. and any potential new owners will be buying it for top market price without, it seems, the benefit of knowing it's history...
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Nothing......home repaired or not, and without a thorough inspection I would not be qualified to judge the structural integrity or condition of the yacht.
I suppose if you really felt the need you could approach the broker with your concerns and ask that you be allowed to inspect the vessel because you don't believe it's been repaired to a satisfactory standard.
Although I think I can guess the kind of response you might get.........
 
Slight thread drift here:

I walked into a boat builders yard one weekend many years ago looking for some epoxy resin. I was a Sunday so no shops open.

In the yard was 35 foot hull with no deck (had been there almost 6 months). I estimate the bost was at least 6 years old at the time.

During a rather heavy tropical rain storm the hull started to fill to the point that the hull collapsed around the keel, very messy.
The yard owner was working on it when I arrived, laying several layers at a time by wetting them on a table first then placing them.

I asked the yard owner if I could purchase 5 litres of epoxy resin, he replied he had none, surely you are using epoxy to repair that hull to keel joint I said.

He responded, no just the standard poly resin is good enough.

A few months later it was gone.

I often wonder what happened to it.

Good luck and fair winds. :)
 
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