What would you do?

bobnewbury

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Here's a little poser for you:

End of the 10 year countdown to sailing into the blue yonder accelerated a bit. Boat paid for, and it looks like I may have early retirement forced (?) upon me. The plan therefore was to leave next May (ish).

In an uncharacteristic rush of blood to the head we decided to give some thought to finances and look into pensions etc. My pension should be payable from (say) next April, and will amount to about £370 per week & a lump sum of about £40K. This, we calculate, should be enough to live on if we bugger off to the Med.

Then we looked into Liz's pension arrangements. We assumed that her pension would kick in when she hits 60 (April 2011) but found that due to an obscure clause in her scheme, she could retire at 55 (April 2006).

Now here's the rub. It seems that if we leave next year as planned, she can't get a pension until 2011 and then it will be worth £140 per week. If she stays one more year, she gets a pension of £150 per week AND a lump sum of £23K, which she does not get at all if she leaves one year earlier.

So, by a back of the envelope calculation, the extra year's work is worth 5 years @ £150 per week + £23 000 = £62 000.

Apart form the psychological let-down of building up to leaving and then having to add a year, the question is - Is a year's cruising worth 62 grand?

Answers on a postcard. I'll post this on the liveaboard site and see what the voices of experience say.

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you could head off and let her fly out to join you next year.



isn't the anonymity of these forums great ;-)

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You retire next April, get the boat ready, have a couple of good cruising hols as a shakedown and shove off on the starting gun, April 2006. Always takes longer than we expect to get ready for anything. The extra dosh will be around for life.

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Underfunded final salary schemes

Bob - you will have to hold on for another year old boy - tough init.
On another point - many of these final salary schemes look to be totally underfunded, so waiting until 2011 to start drawing may mean that others have taken the gravy out of the pot first, so you have to stay one more year and start drawing at 2006, when the gravy should hopefully still be in the pot.

Hopefully though the States of Jersey scheme should be well funded - we thought that of Marks and Spencers too!

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Long term sick

Buy some holidays?

£62k is £62k.

Donald

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so now for a more sensible suggestion... if you haven't already moved onto the boat, why not do so now? by the time you are ready to go you'll have found out all the little niggles and put them right. and you'll know what gear you really need and what you can leave behind. and you get to do it while you're near home and the yards and suppliers you know instead of foreign ports where the language and unfamiliarity make it all ten times harder.

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Well the obvious solution is for you to go sailing and leave your better half earning your keep, and the better pension as well /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

You don't say whether the figures you give for your pensions are index-linked or flat but either way £62,000 is a lot of money to turn down. Unless you've got more money than you know what to do with then I'm sure you would be better delaying your ultimate departure until 2006. I'm sure you'll find plenty to keep you amused until then

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Re: Underfunded final salary schemes

Another point here is that if you're able to transfer your fund at retirement into a private annuity, the way things are looking interest rates will be higher and therefore the annuity rate should be more healthy later - interest rate + older at commencement.

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with your grasp of arithmetic, you might be better not straying too far ... !

is the calculation not £150-£140 = £10 per week for 5 years = £2,500? The actual actuarial value of the extra year at work is more like £12,500 ie the cash value to Liz over her whole life.

it is unusual .. I would say unheard of ... for commutation of a pension (eg lump sum) be denied under the circumstances you describe. actuarially reduced (to take account of earlier retirement) maybe, but never refused.

I'd delay a year .. you might find that consent is required for Liz to retire at 54 whereas it appears from what you say to be an unfettered right at 55

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