What next for Marine Electronics ?

I was the first person to express unreserved enthusiasm for AIS in this forum about 11 years and I got some grief as a result from the resident experts who were emotionally wedded to their pre MARPA radar vacuum tubes and plotting sheets. It was a useful lesson in dealing with closed minds. In one post I predicted we were not far away from a bluetooth connected pocket PDA buzzing in ones pocket when an AIS CPA safe zone was breached. That had the mankly auld blokes of the forum in stitches in 2005 since the majority had never heard of bluetooth.

My predictions back then were pretty good except I did not anticipate the iPhone and Android, and so referred to the pocket device as a PDA.

As to the future, you have all missed the next stella advance in nautical electronics coming our way. Sure there are some integration loose ends to tidy, e.g. txt messages to your MFD.

The big new thing will be intelligent software agents. The term artificial intellgennce has been kicked around the computer industry for 30 years but it is now starting to happen for real. Imagine having the instinct of the world's best helmsman encoded in your autopilot, the helmsman will learn about the behaviour of your boat and improve over a lengthy training period, his software manifestation will even infer when you have reefed or when you have the main sheeted in too hard and he will complain vocally. The product naming of Raymarine's latest autopilot suggests they have already taken a first step in this direction.

There will be more. Imagine having the wisdom of Tom Cunliff embedded in your plotter. When you drop anchor in Lulworth Cove the digitized old sage will admonish you and say "skipper remember that pile of bricks, I have looked at the weather forecast and the tide tables and have calculated you will swing 30 degrees at 2am and your keel will clip the bricks".

Another agent will monitor fuel consumption without any hard wiring to your engine ignition, it will sense when the engine is on from boat behaviour and use speed + pitch gyro stats to work out how hard the engine is working. The agent will factor in future weather and suggest refueling options based on current price data.
 
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I did some googling and I think one of the biggest things that could make tablets even more popular aboard, is if navionics fixed AIS data into the app via wifi in the same way that it does for gps data.

I know that iNavx and iSailor both do this, but its fair to say that Navionics does appear to be the market leader and must surely see that this would be a pretty big deal for the app, i wonder however if its a bridge too far for its other electronic stuff.
 
I did some googling and I think one of the biggest things that could make tablets even more popular aboard, is if navionics fixed AIS data into the app via wifi in the same way that it does for gps data.

I know that iNavx and iSailor both do this, but its fair to say that Navionics does appear to be the market leader and must surely see that this would be a pretty big deal for the app, i wonder however if its a bridge too far for its other electronic stuff.
The Navionics I have on my tablet cost me about £50, it covers UK to the Canaries and the Med. I can't see them spending much to develop extras with no real return. They want people to buy chips and put them in MFDs at much higher prices. The phone/tablet apps are only meant for planning and use at home in my opinion.
Allan
 
I did some googling and I think one of the biggest things that could make tablets even more popular aboard, is if navionics fixed AIS data into the app via wifi in the same way that it does for gps data.

I know that iNavx and iSailor both do this, but its fair to say that Navionics does appear to be the market leader and must surely see that this would be a pretty big deal for the app, i wonder however if its a bridge too far for its other electronic stuff.
Opencpn has probably one of the best ais displays available and will run happily at the same time as navionics. Not on an ipad though, you'll need an android tablet.

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The direction will be small and low cost sensors for various specialist purposes (depth, wind, temperature, radar, thermal imaging) operating, eventually, to common standards, and transmitting wirelessly (ironically TacTick were on the right direction, just too early).

Thats where you are making a mistake. Tablets are cheap because of the huge volumes. The volumes for things like logs and wind and small radar are tiny by comparison with few suppliers as a result so you will find higher prices for these bits.
 
Opencpn has probably one of the best ais displays available and will run happily at the same time as navionics. Not on an ipad though, you'll need an android tablet. ]

Thanks for that - I want aware that OpenCPN was available for android.
But what charts do you use? Will it pick up the navionics ones already on the tablet? Can I load up my old CM93 charts?

Having had a quick read, I see that it can work with CM93 but TBH I need a bit of handholding on this and other aspects. How do I get the CM93 which I know how to transfer from my PC into the right place on my tablet ie where is the right place? And I have a 3G radar on the boat with WiFi so how do I get that into the tablet - my eyes glaze over when the manual starts with things like IP addresses.
 
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Thanks for that - I want aware that OpenCPN was available for android.
But what charts do you use? Will it pick up the navionics ones already on the tablet? Can I load up my old CM93 charts?
Won't load the Navionics charts but cm93 work fine, mine are on an sd card. Sony Xperia sits under the sprayhood, I flip between Opencpn and navionics but mostly Opencpn for ais if there's any traffic about.

Signalk is slowly maturing as well, but not there yet imho. Though the true/apparent wind Web page is handy.
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There will be more. Imagine having the wisdom of Tom Cunliff embedded in your plotter. When you drop anchor in Lulworth Cove the digitized old sage will admonish you and say "skipper remember that pile of bricks, I have looked at the weather forecast and the tide tables and have calculated you will swing 30 degrees at 2am and your keel will clip the bricks".

It will make for a bit of a shock when you go to use the electric windlass to lower the anchor.
"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"
 
I'm in the process of planning an electronics upgrade for the boat and it will have at least two MFDs - one at each helm. I had been thinking of putting a third down at the chart table, but Raymarine integration with Android is getting pretty good these days and I'm thinking that I will probably use a tablet linked into the network via WiFi as the chart table instrument. I certainly would not want a commodity tablet at the helm - far too vulnerable and fiddly.
 
I was the first person to express unreserved enthusiasm for AIS in this forum about 11 years and I got some grief as a result from the resident experts.......Quote



You may have been one of the many.

AIS was a Great Leap Forward and it was immediately clear to skint, small boat owners that it was for them. The much derided NASA AIS Radar was the killer, good on them.
Many, most, Stunning Advances are just marketing puffs. The trick is to tell which is which.

Whenever you hear the dread terms: Luddite, Tried and Tested, Dated, Trusted and all the other bellicose bloody whatnots.......you think, 'ello, here is a simple man trying to cobble up a cosy universal rule. After the plotter much else is fluff, it should be checked out in terms of what you need to do, what is genuinely helpful and what you feel you can spend.
Amen.

Anyway I won't be going wobbly at the knee over Head up Displays or Talking Chart Plotters.
Wouldn't mind an VHF set with integrated AIS transmitter though.
 
The phone/tablet apps are only meant for planning and use at home in my opinion.
Allan

"Meant for" is possibly the key there, Navionics certainly don't portray that on their page: http://www.navionics.com/en/mobile-pc-app - and with the extra features like dock-to-dock and live routing coupled with the options on depth sounding - certainly don't suggest that Navionics are anything but expecting folks to use it as a live tool.

Opinion on this forum suggests that the live use of tablets in increasing to the point where it is a viable alternative to the MFD, in much the same way that I would imagine that MFD's and Chartplotters were once derided as being not an option against paper charts.

Progress is inevitable. Developers will develop their tools to compete in the market against like for like with other developers - AIS on the Navionics app has almost certainly been developed - I suspect that they are waiting for the right time to release it (probably for the reasons you state above).
 
Interesting thread!

What I'd LIKE to see would be far better sensors. There must be a better solution than the paddlewheel for the log. There must be a better solution than the wirlygig for the windspeed.

But other than that, I'm not really sure there are many functions that current marine electronics do not have that I can see as being hugely beneficial to the average yachtie. I don't, for example, see the point in talking chartplotters, or HUD. What I think we'll see will be a gradual reduction in price, as the manufacturers have more to do to sell their solutions ahead of the tablet solution. The technological advances will, I think, be mainly small and out of sight. Less power consumption, more accurate sensors, thinner, lighter, units. That sort of thing.

The one thing I would like is for it to be much more open. So if I, as I do, sail on a wide range of boats, it's actually a bit of a pain at the moment because when I jump on a Garmin equipped boat it's different to a raymarine boat etc. If, however, it became standard that all manufacturers outputted their NMEA data over wifi / bluetooth easily then the skipper / navigator who charters or jumps from boat to boat would just have to plug his tablet into the boat's wifi and have all of the data there, at least until he'd got used to whatever chartplotter was fitted.
 
Opinion on this forum suggests that the live use of tablets in increasing to the point where it is a viable alternative to the MFD, in much the same way that I would imagine that MFD's and Chartplotters were once derided as being not an option against paper charts.

Yes, I for one have used my iPad running navionics as the main nav tool on a number of boats. It's just much easier than learning a new chartplotter every time you jump on a new boat.
 
Navionics certainly don't portray that on their page: http://www.navionics.com/en/mobile-pc-app - and with the extra features like dock-to-dock and live routing coupled with the options on depth sounding - certainly don't suggest that Navionics are anything but expecting folks to use it as a live tool.

I agree with your post, so asked a Navionics rep why their tablet software doesn't support AIS. He said that it would be an easy add-on, but that the company lawyers were adamant that the app is for planning only and not for navigation. Perhaps that will change in time.
 
There is isn't there - well there used to be a doplar (?) speed sensor instead of the paddlewheel ...

well excuse my crap spelling ....

http://www.p2marine.com/marine-electronics/airmar/airmar-cs4500-speed-transducer.shtml

AFAIK B&G and Raymarine purchase sensors from the same manufacturer. I must say I'm tempted by these doppler jobs -- yes they're pricey, but the strategy here is to get the missus to clean out the 'orrible, weird and slimy Jurassic life which colonises the paddle-wheel each week. Then I can buy her one as a birthday present :cool:
 
AFAIK B&G and Raymarine purchase sensors from the same manufacturer. I must say I'm tempted by these doppler jobs -- yes they're pricey, but the strategy here is to get the missus to clean out the 'orrible, weird and slimy Jurassic life which colonises the paddle-wheel each week. Then I can buy her one as a birthday present :cool:

you're a braver man than me ...
 
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