What is it with some people?

I was going into a Harbour in our small cuddy warrior a few days ago, local sailing club was ferrying crew out to their yachts for the evening race, unfortunately their rib created so much wash very close up, enough to bury the bows and wash over the top of the cuddy. I know the helm pretty well, obviously didn't mean to cause a problem, a quick friendly word hopefully means no repeat!
 
Colvic Watson said:
Speed is irrelevant, wash is everything. A true planing hull leaves no discernible wash when up on the pure plane. But a semi planning or worse semi displacement at WOT close by is a dangerous animal, they have no idea how violent the wash can be - objects and children thrown around. A planing RIB or true planing sports cruiser is a delight to see at 30knots, you've got to admire the physics at work that make it possible and 20 feet isn't too close, plus if they're petrol powered the thunderous roar of those V8's does the soul good, but then I'm an ex AAC wallah :D
However a thundering semi at 15knots passing close by is utterly ignorant, but there's no shortage of ignorant people in MoBo's or yachts.
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I would just disagree a little with this. There seems to be a myth that a planning hull leaves no discernible wash at speed. Earlier in this thread (before it turned weird) my two grumbles involved us being passed at speed by a fairline targa 34 and a Beneteau ombrine 32, (both I am pretty sure have planning hulls )both were on the plane doing 20kts+, yet created a wake that had a significant effect on us. Yes a rib or small speed boat creates just a ripple at 30 knots, but a large 10ton+ planning boat does. Perhaps it is planning hulled boats that go along thinking they don't cause wash is an issue, that and a desire to pass far to close to other boats..
 
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I don't mind if boats want to scream along. I do however have a huge issue with people passing close to me. It's bang out of order and there is NO excuse!!
Message to all skippers. Pass at a nice safe distance if you don't you are an arse hole. Thank you
 
Or try slowing down until you have completed your overtake. It might add two minutes to your passage but what the hey............
 
Firefly625 said:
I would just disagree a little with this. There seems to be a myth that a planning hull leaves no discernible wash at speed. Earlier in this thread (before it turned weird) my two grumbles involved us being passed at speed by a fairline targa 34 and a Beneteau ombrine 32, (both I am pretty sure have planning hulls )both were on the plane doing 20kts+, yet created a wake that had a significant effect on us. Yes a rib or small speed boat creates just a ripple at 30 knots, but a large 10ton+ planning boat does. Perhaps it is planning hulled boats that go along thinking they don't cause wash is an issue, that and a desire to pass far to close to other boats..
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Those are boats that can plane but they're not true planing hulls, huge difference, I'm talking about the ones which practically have just their engine in the water, a great sight and sound and no wake.
 
Colvic Watson said:
Those are boats that can plane but they're not true planing hulls, huge difference, I'm talking about the ones which practically have just their engine in the water, a great sight and sound and no wake.
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If the Targa 34 hull is not a "true planing" one, how exactly would you call it... :confused:

You said in your previous post that speed is irrelevant, but now you mention boats which practically have just the propeller in the water (assuming that's what you meant by "engine" in the water).
Now, that's something that can and does happen, but neither at 30kts nor at 60.
Not with planet earth gravity, where it takes 3 digits speed for a boat to reach that point.
Unless we are speaking of hydrofoils, air entrapment catamarans, or other exotic vessels - but as I understand, the debate is on plain vanilla P monohulls.
 
KevB said:
You would say that though wouldn't you, being an ignorant yottie and all that.
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Not even a smilie ? It doesn't help to add nasty adjectives.

I've been cut up by raggies (inc RTW Volvo racers) as well as mobos. A mobo has less "brakes" than a raggie generally, and - again generally - takes longer to turn a corner than a raggie. And for a third generalisation, the amount of energy in a speedy mobo is considerably higher than a standard raggie. Mobos do, incontrovertibly, make a lot more noise and wake than raggies.

Both sides experience times when visibility ahead them is restricted., but a fast-moving mobo has a greater 'domain' extending ahead of it, than a sailing boat.

(Think of 'domain' as being the horizontal area that a boat projects which it needs to stop, given all possible power and steering options.)
 
sarabande said:
Not even a smilie ? It doesn't help to add nasty adjectives.

I've been cut up by raggies (inc RTW Volvo racers) as well as mobos. A mobo has less "brakes" than a raggie generally, and - again generally - takes longer to turn a corner than a raggie. And for a third generalisation, the amount of energy in a speedy mobo is considerably higher than a standard raggie. Mobos do, incontrovertibly, make a lot more noise and wake than raggies.

Both sides experience times when visibility ahead them is restricted., but a fast-moving mobo has a greater 'domain' extending ahead of it, than a sailing boat.

(Think of 'domain' as being the horizontal area that a boat projects which it needs to stop, given all possible power and steering options.)
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Cut up by raggies.... do explain please?
 
Colvic Watson said:
Speed is irrelevant, wash is everything. A true planing hull leaves no discernible wash when up on the pure plane. But a semi planning or worse semi displacement at WOT close by is a dangerous animal, they have no idea how violent the wash can be - objects and children thrown around. A planing RIB or true planing sports cruiser is a delight to see at 30knots, you've got to admire the physics at work that make it possible and 20 feet isn't too close, plus if they're petrol powered the thunderous roar of those V8's does the soul good, but then I'm an ex AAC wallah :D
However a thundering semi at 15knots passing close by is utterly ignorant, but there's no shortage of ignorant people in MoBo's or yachts.
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Which planing sportscruisers create so little wash at 30 knots that they can pass 20ft away without issue? I've never seen one.
 
Seems to me today travelling on the pavement is a hazard due to rudeness, given a power boat and the behaviour is simply transplanted.

Alan
 
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