What is it called when

[oldfatgit]

in order to turn a long keeler's head to wind whilst manoeuvring in close quarters one drops a moderately heavy weight on a light line from the bow? Furthermore what is the weight called?

Thanks in anticipation.

 

[KenMcCulloch]

Drudging?

 

[tokoloshe]

Panic

 

[oldfatgit]

Drudging?

I thought it might be but could not be sure. Thanks.

 

[sailorman]

Drudging is using the weight as stated but in a tideway to assist steering by allowing the boat rudder to act against the flow of water.

 

[Sandyman]

Drudging is using the weight as stated but in a tideway to assist steering by allowing the boat rudder to act against the flow of water.

New one on me. Never heard of it. Possible to explain further ? Tks

 

[dylanwinter]

humber

on the humber the barges would drop a weight over the bow - sometimes a locked fishermans or an old tractor rim or a length of chain - and then travel with the tide backwards

this would allow them to place themselves in the best bit of the channel

you could also use a single small genoa and the4 apparent wind to achive the same thing

I had a sort of go using a topper rig on the bow

Dylan

 

[Oldhairy]

A bit of a seniors moment here, but I seem to remember that traveling backwards over the bottom is drudging and traveling forwards is dredging.

 

[Poignard]

A useful, and simple, technique for when your long-keeler is backed out of a marina berth and the wind pushes her bow towards the dead end of the trot. Drop a lead weight over the bow with a few metres of line attached. Wait a few moments whilst she turns and settles head to wind, then motor slowly ahead whilst recovering the weight.

It can also be done single handed by leading the line from the bow back to the cockpit via a snatch block.

I find a 25lb lead window sash is ideal and, being square-sectioned, it doesn't roll around the deck.

 

[oldfatgit]

A useful, and simple, technique for when your long-keeler is backed out of a marina berth and the wind pushes her bow towards the dead end of the trot. Drop a lead weight over the bow with a few metres of line attached. Wait a few moments whilst she turns and settles head to wind, then motor slowly ahead whilst recovering the weight.

It can also be done single handed by leading the line from the bow back to the cockpit via a snatch block.

I find a 25lb lead window sash is ideal and, being square-sectioned, it doesn't roll around the deck.

Thank you for that, I knew the technique and our new mooring will require its use, however, the sash weight is very useful. Sadly I only have a number of round section cast iron ones but saw a couple of lead ones at a boat yard the other day (discarded ballast). Might see if I can scrounge them.

 

[Sandyman]

A useful, and simple, technique for when your long-keeler is backed out of a marina berth and the wind pushes her bow towards the dead end of the trot. Drop a lead weight over the bow with a few metres of line attached. Wait a few moments whilst she turns and settles head to wind, then motor slowly ahead whilst recovering the weight.

It can also be done single handed by leading the line from the bow back to the cockpit via a snatch block.

I find a 25lb lead window sash is ideal and, being square-sectioned, it doesn't roll around the deck.

Do you know I had never thought of doing that. So simple. Will try it out next time its needed.

That's my learning done for today Tks

 

[Poignard]

Thank you for that, I knew the technique and our new mooring will require its use, however, the sash weight is very useful. Sadly I only have a number of round section cast iron ones but saw a couple of lead ones at a boat yard the other day (discarded ballast). Might see if I can scrounge them.

If you end up having to buy one you can get them here:

http://www.sash-weights.com/index.php?f=data_home&a=0

I bought mine from a place in Colliers Wood (south London). I think it was this firm:

http://www.wimbledonsash.co.uk/products.php

 

[prv]

I would also have said drudging, but if people want another term to play with then it also sounds somewhat akin to club-hauling. The bit about "steamers in a narrow channel" must be similar to "motoring yachts in marina aisles"

http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Seamanship/Liardet/Liardet(1849)_p72.html

Pete

 

[Zagato]

Another neat trick when the wind is against you with a long keel and reverse steering is vague at best is to throw a rope with a child's sandbag attached to the pontoon behind you. Walk around to the pontoon, loop the rope around the pontoon cleat and throw the sandbag with rope attached back to your boat cockpit.

Pull your boat back out of your mooring enough to turn by engine and pull in the rope

I watched a guy in a Crabber 24 do this from a tight marina berth!

 

[Poignard]

Another neat trick when the wind is against you with a long keel and reverse steering is vague at best is to throw a rope with a child's sandbag attached to the pontoon behind you. Walk around to the pontoon, loop the rope around the pontoon cleat and throw the sandbag with rope attached back to your boat cockpit.

Pull your boat back out of your mooring enough to turn by engine and pull in the rope

I watched a guy in a Crabber 24 do this from a tight marina berth!

That's another of those "Why didn't I think of that?" ideas. I have often wondered how I could get a line across to the pontoons astern and never come up with a satisfactory way of doing it.

 

[charles_reed]

Probably a drudge.

 

[Seajet]

At Poole quay the small ships regularly drudge their bower anchors while reversing out, it keeps the bows from paying off to one side which would be rather inconvenient.

Easy to do in a yacht by simply lowering the anchor until it's on the bottom, but without enough chain or warp out to let the anchor dig in; a folding grapnel ( usually kedge ) anchor kept in folded state is good for this.

Thing is, one needs to know the seabed, as it would be unfortunate if the thing suddenly took a good hold...

Talking of anchors and Poole Quay, I was told by a very good sailing instructor of a young colleague who roared up along the quay, singlehanded in a 42' Gib Sea and heading downwind fast for the bridge; just when all spectators were cringeing he casually kicked the prepared anchor overboard from the side deck, the anchor bit, boat swang around with sails luffing, and he trolled along to berth up.

If I ever tried that, it would result in a new bridge project and ' Time Team ' collecting bits of me some day !

 

[oldfatgit]

Talking of anchors and Poole Quay, I was told by a very good sailing instructor of a young colleague who roared up along the quay, singlehanded in a 42' Gib Sea and heading downwind fast for the bridge; just when all spectators were cringeing he casually kicked the prepared anchor overboard from the side deck, the anchor bit, boat swang around with sails luffing, and he trolled along to berth up.

If I ever tried that, it would result in a new bridge project and ' Time Team ' collecting bits of me some day !

thing is his plan worked only because nothing went wrong. For me as slow as possible whilst maintaining steerage is the golden close quarters rule. So why not approach the bridge at a slow speed, drop anchor & etc at a dignified and above all seamanlike way?

 

[35mm]

I would also have said drudging, but if people want another term to play with then it also sounds somewhat akin to club-hauling. The bit about "steamers in a narrow channel" must be similar to "motoring yachts in marina aisles"

http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Seamanship/Liardet/Liardet(1849)_p72.html

Pete

I was thinking of the term "club hauling" when I saw this thread too, but club hauling is used to do an emergency stop/turn when under way, by dropping the anchor.