What is acceptable use of generator in marina

[Lozzer]

At what hour should folks turn the genset off whilst in a marina?

In St Antonio last night I had a guy running his genset at 0015.

Diesel fumes and noise filling my cabin not nice. Especially when shore supply is available.

I asked him to turn off and got short shrift. When I insisted he still refused saying he had no shore supply.

Sorted that by giving him my spare 32 amp connection. "32 amps not enough" he says. Now I'm getting annoyed as boat is lit up like a Xmas tree.

His skipper was nowhere to be seen so I invite myself on board and show him how to survive with 32 amps.

Do people think I should have just put up with it or am I entitled to a good nights sleep in a marina?

 

[SEARANGER ANCASTER]

At what hour should folks turn the genset off whilst in a marina?

In St Antonio last night I had a guy running his genset at 0015.

Diesel fumes and noise filling my cabin not nice. Especially when shore supply is available.

I asked him to turn off and got short shrift. When I insisted he still refused saying he had no shore supply.

Sorted that by giving him my spare 32 amp connection. "32 amps not enough" he says. Now I'm getting annoyed as boat is lit up like a Xmas tree.

His skipper was nowhere to be seen so I invite myself on board and show him how to survive with 32 amps.

Do people think I should have just put up with it or am I entitled to a good nights sleep in a marina?

IMO they should not be used from 10pm till 6am

 

[omega2]

divert the exhaust back into his boat, he will be quiet very soon. seriously though some people are just pig ignorant.

 

[prv]

IMO they should not be used from 10pm till 6am

Some places have rules about it, the shutdown time is usually much earlier than that. 5pm rings a bell, the idea being that people should be able to sit in their cockpits and enjoy an evening beer without listening to generators.

I was reading one of Tom Cunliffe's books the other day, in which he describes casting adrift someone who was moored on the outside of a raft and running an engine for charging in the evening

Pete

 

[jfm]

At what hour should folks turn the genset off whilst in a marina?

In St Antonio last night I had a guy running his genset at 0015.

Diesel fumes and noise filling my cabin not nice. Especially when shore supply is available.

I asked him to turn off and got short shrift. When I insisted he still refused saying he had no shore supply.

Sorted that by giving him my spare 32 amp connection. "32 amps not enough" he says. Now I'm getting annoyed as boat is lit up like a Xmas tree.

His skipper was nowhere to be seen so I invite myself on board and show him how to survive with 32 amps.

Do people think I should have just put up with it or am I entitled to a good nights sleep in a marina?

I'm generally with you on this Lozzer. Of course there will be exceptions, like when the shore power dies, or for the first 30mins after boat arrives because it can take that long to sort the shore power, but generally I agree with you.

San Antonio has modern facilities for your size boat (at least it does on the quay I used - the outer wall so to speak) so I cannot see why he had a problem or was limited to 32 amps. Obviously you can run a 25m boat on 32 Amps provided you need no airco. As soon as you start even one of the airco chillers you are way above 32A as you know

Fortunately this berthing next to a jerk happens only rarely. I had to tolerate an evening in Bonifacio on the long quay on your right as you enter (you know where I mean!) berthed next to a manky Mangusta 80 whose dumb captain insisted on running his engine room cooling fans with the noise and vents right next to my aft deck/dining table. I asked him to turn them off but he refused, saying he needed to cool his engine room. Ho hum!

 

[Lozzer]

JFM.

I can just about run my boat on 32 amps...... We have to be very careful though. In essence 2 airco chillers and the battery charger. Turning off lights where unnecessary. Ie underwater lights. Certainly no immersion heaters or stoves etc...

I am sure like me you have a plethora of plugs to suit various connections... Last count I had 8 or 9 all on a short lead ready to go. This guy had nothing.

You are right about St Antonio, it is well set up for boats of our size. At the stern of my boat there are two 125 amp plugs and two 32 amp plugs. The guy had two shore supply lines so could have got 64 amps if he was desperate. You can also get fuel pumped straight from quay. The helpers are super efficient and giving them €20 every time I come in means they race to help me...

Funnily boat is based in Antibes.... Princess 78 called Sabbatical. You might know it. Needless to say I won't be on the owners Christmas card list having insisted he turn generator off.... He should be thanking me as I sorted his electric out which meant he also had a quiet night... By the way captain was out clubbing...... Therefore To be honest I think the skipper was a bit lazy and went for the easy option.

Your problem in Bonifacio is typical sadly... Especially from the Mangusta crowd, they seem to have a different set of rules to the rest of us. I ways try to get up by the Kissing Pigs restaurant it seems quieter.

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Funnily boat is based in Antibes.... Princess 78 called Sabbatical. You might know it.

Is it the one that has the boat name in a mixture of fonts?

 

[jfm]

Hi Lozzer. Yes I know Sabbatical, Dutch owned and lives on quai 1 in port Vauban, and yes, mixed up font Jamshed. Listed for sale these days. Doesn't go out much. The 78 isn't a great machine; the p85 and 82 (and upwards) are much nicer boats

Good going on 32 Amps. You must have multiple small chillers so you don't have to run them all. I have 2x 60k BTU/hr and they take nearly 30 amps each on full grunt (that's with soft start and 3-phase motors) so I have zero aircon with 32 Amps unless I switch everything else off. In this situation I often switch the batt chargers off and let the lights/24v stuff just run on batteries, then flick the airco off for 30 mins when I want to zap 200amps (=20amps of shorepower) into the batts for 30mins to replenish them for several hours more lighting. And yes I've collected a big set of plug adaptors - such a nuisance that they didn't standardise these years ago but then they wouldn't be able to charge you €150 for a new plug when you need one I suppose!

Actually I meant by kissing pigs, which is as you know pretty much at the inner end of the long mooring quay on the right. I agree with you that if you are on that quai you want to be at the KP end not the ferry/west end. I actually prefer to be up by the capitainerie with my bow pointing west, but the new woodwork on the KP quay is quite nice nowadays, as is the new system for handing you the ground/bow lines (bloke in a RIB guns it in reverse). When it blows up from the west you can get a few challenged skippers bashing your boat, as they try to park broadside to the wind, which is another reason to like the far end by the capitainerie. I'm there next week!

 

[Elessar]

Some places have rules about it, the shutdown time is usually much earlier than that. 5pm rings a bell, the idea being that people should be able to sit in their cockpits and enjoy an evening beer without listening to generators.

I was reading one of Tom Cunliffe's books the other day, in which he describes casting adrift someone who was moored on the outside of a raft and running an engine for charging in the evening

Pete

yarmouth has rules about it. "no generators". The only time I've been kept awake at night was a large yacht's generator there. They refused to do anything and it was very poorly silenced. It was a miserable night.
Yarmouth then lied about it saying they had offered alternative berths to all that complained. They definitely had not.

 

[Lozzer]

Hi JFM

Enjoy Bonifacio next week, I am jealous although I had had a week there this year which was nice.

The lazy line system is fab saves a lot of hassle and as you say in a westerly, which it usually is you need to hold your bow somehow.

Last time I was I. I almost collided with a tripper boat as I was backing up and swinging into my berth, literally almost put the anchor through his windscreen, shame I didn't really as those guys a pain.

I have four chillers of top of my head I think they pull about 12 amps. At the moment I have two on, battery chargers, immersion tanks, all the fridges and freezers and I'm pulling about 50 amps.... I'm just about to start the jacuzzi up so something will have to give as it's a beast, running two big water pumps and heating. It's a complete pain. This is the third time in 3 years that it would have been used.

One of my other big consumers of electricity are my lights. The old 24v halogens eat the power like no tomorrow.... I would change them but we are selling and moving to the other side.... I'm looking forward to simpler systems... Factory visit on the 26th. Should get some pics of the hull being laid up..

 

[jfm]

Haha Jacuzzis! They are always in use in brochure shots and folks spec them at boat shows, but afaik hardly ever used in real life, because who can be bothered? Never going to be spontaneous. You actual experience seems to bear this out!

Ah yes halogen lights. I could easily hit 40 amps @24v of lighting load on my last boat with people just turning them on when they felt like it. You will be more than that on p85. In my current LED boat is it more like 8 amps.

Princess seem to have been the slowest adopters of LED. Their 2013 models mostly had halogens still. Perhaps they had a big stock to get through!

I expect Oyster will advise you but make sure to get good quality LED lights. Don't assume that because it is Oyster's spec they will be the best you can get. If anyone there says "Oh yes these are nice because they have a warm colour", or thinks that the difference between good and bad LEDs is just colour temperature, don't follow what he says

 

[pan]

Jacuzzis… Eddie Jordan seems to like them, his boat Blush was in Puerto Portals 10 days ago, berthed up to the sea wall, had to smile when returning back to our berth, seeing 2 guys up on the top deck at 6.00pm soaking up the Jacuzzi… air temp was about 34c, so must have been cold water, otherwise they would have been boiled like lobsters! I always assumed the idea was to have a couple of super models sharing it with me, preferably discretely, am afraid EJ's sits right on top for everyone to see… or maybe that's the plan!

 

[Portofino]

Jacuzzis -pretty , no infact really unhygienic peeps arse ,gentitals which include your uretha all stewing together .
Best way to empy one Discretely -chuck an egg white in and see the looks on the faces

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

At what hour should folks turn the genset off whilst in a marina?

There is no right or wrong answer to this because it depends how noisy or discrete the gennie and it's exhaust is and on which side the exhaust exits. We often faced this issue during our time in Croatia because marina shorepower was either unavailable or too puny to run aircon. I usually found that if you approached the people in the boat next door bearing gifts of ice and beer, any complaints about the gennie soon evaporated

 

[boatingdave]

Jacuzzis -pretty , no infact really unhygienic peeps arse ,gentitals which include your uretha all stewing together .
Best way to empy one Discretely -chuck an egg white in and see the looks on the faces

Funny

 

[RogerRat]

JFM.

Your problem in Bonifacio is typical sadly... Especially from the Mangusta crowd, they seem to have a different set of rules to the rest of us.

Ha, I gotta get me one of them Mangustas' !

Can anyone explain to me the Mangusta rules? I would want to comply of course. :encouragement:

RR