Jabs
Member
Do I need a T2L document if I am sailing my VAT paid boat, on the Official Register around Europe??
Thanks
Tony
Thanks
Tony
What is a T2L document
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Tranona
Well-known member
Some controversy, but the answer is NO. The T2L is a shipping document covering goods in general shipped across the EU. So if a boat is going by road with a haulage company it will need a T2L which the haulage company will issue. However when you go with your boat it is a "means of transport" so does not need it.
The controversy is that some states are misinterpreting the rules - Portugal and Croatia as examples causing panic for some people. The latter is a peculiar case because there were a lot of non VAT paid boats there at the time of accession last year which qualified for "deemed VAT paid" and they demanded a T2L to demonstrate such boats were imported from the EU.
The RYA is trying to deal with the problem - but in reality it does not affect movements elsewhere in the EU and you are OK with your registration, Bill of Sale and VAT receipt - and even the last is not really necessary as it is rarely asked for in the states most British people visit.
As usual the RYA is as up to date as anywhere on such issues.
The controversy is that some states are misinterpreting the rules - Portugal and Croatia as examples causing panic for some people. The latter is a peculiar case because there were a lot of non VAT paid boats there at the time of accession last year which qualified for "deemed VAT paid" and they demanded a T2L to demonstrate such boats were imported from the EU.
The RYA is trying to deal with the problem - but in reality it does not affect movements elsewhere in the EU and you are OK with your registration, Bill of Sale and VAT receipt - and even the last is not really necessary as it is rarely asked for in the states most British people visit.
As usual the RYA is as up to date as anywhere on such issues.
Jabs
Member
Thank you for a very comprehensive and refreshingly succinct answer!
No thread drift here!
Tony.
No thread drift here!
Tony.
vyv_cox
Well-known member
The Cruising Association have a wealth of information on the topic. Not sure whether this is visible to non-members. The T2L was required of owners whose boats were berthed on annual contracts in Croatia when they entered the EU, deemed to be under a 'temporary import procedure'. The T2L was needed before the boat could be released by customs. I believe that boats arriving in Croatia now do not need it, but as with many Mediterranean countries this may be open to interpretation by local officials.
BrianH
Active member
No request for VAT-paid (or deemed VAT-paid) proof or T2L documentation when declaring into the most northerly Croatian harbour, Umag in Istria.
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RichardS
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My T2L arrived from HMRC yesterday. Lots of nice official stamps which should satisfy any Croatian customs guys. And it cost nothing apart from two second class stamps so why not?
Richard
Richard
MASH
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Because it is volunteering the thin end of the wedge, and legitimises the illegitimate demands of jumped up functionaries in Big Hats?
BrianH
Active member
I agree. Despite reports of this totally irrelevant piece of paper being demanded by some functionaries in Croatia* I was prepared to sail there and declare in without one. I was fully prepared to stand my ground and argue the toss if such was included among the sheaf of other documents normally requested. In the event no T2L was even mentioned nor was any mention made of having to prove my 'deemed VAT-paid' status.
I made an impromptu poll of skippers in my Italian marina who had cruised to Croatia this year. All of them, German, Swiss, Austrian and Italian, had no T2L document and to a man (unfortunately, no female) had no idea what it was. If the Croatians want to charge or impound yachts for no T2L then they will cause an administrative problem for themselves, damage their marine tourist industry and potentially create diplomatic incidents with a number of fellow EU members if the reaction to my explanation of why I was asking is anything to go by.
* http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?339728-Croatia-EU-VAT-New-Advice!&p=4794547#post4794547
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RichardS
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Big Hats and Big Guns! :-(
If something might be useful and it's free, then I'm happy to have one - although I am from Yorkshire so that's no so surprising!
Richard
If something might be useful and it's free, then I'm happy to have one - although I am from Yorkshire so that's no so surprising!
Richard
Tranona
Well-known member
Just teething problems for our Croatian friends. See post #2. The T2L was an important document for the specific purpose of showing that a boat based in Croatia at the time of accession and seeking "deemed VAT paid status" originally came from the EU. Not surprising given all the new rules that some officials thought all boats from the EU should have one!
Issue was similar in Portugal. Boats arriving under their own power do not require one, but it could be argued that boats arriving by road should.
I have a T2L for my boat because it was transported by road from Spain to UK and the haulier issued it.
Issue was similar in Portugal. Boats arriving under their own power do not require one, but it could be argued that boats arriving by road should.
I have a T2L for my boat because it was transported by road from Spain to UK and the haulier issued it.
