What is a Classic Boat

[Romeo]

And if patching up results in everything ultimately being replaced? Or would you rather see a boat rot because getting it sailing again would replace too much?

On balance, I think I would sooner see a boat rot, than see it destroyed for a "rebuild" incorporating virtually nothing of the original. Much better to be honest about it and just build the new boat and say you are building a new boat. Ezra and the like are older than "rebuilt" Cornubia and there is more honesty about them. (Although I am sure Cornubia is a fantastic boat in her own right, and I am using her as just one example amongst very many) All just my views, and I have no problem that others will differ in their view.

 

[Romeo]

No replica emigrant ship unless it carries emigrants
No colin archer rescue boats unless someone (wouldn’t be a pilot would it ) got rescued
No replica tea clippers unless they have come back from china carrying tea, for the rescued emigrant pilots
What a lot of nonsense

........and who is going to tell 1000 Cornish Shrimper owners that they have to change the name of their class unless they get out there and bag a few shell fish?

 

[Woodlouse]

On balance, I think I would sooner see a boat rot, than see it destroyed for a "rebuild" incorporating virtually nothing of the original. Much better to be honest about it and just build the new boat and say you are building a new boat. Ezra and the like are older than "rebuilt" Cornubia and there is more honesty about them. (Although I am sure Cornubia is a fantastic boat in her own right, and I am using her as just one example amongst very many) All just my views, and I have no problem that others will differ in their view.

Would you consider it to be the same boat if every part was replaced over the boats lifetime as running repairs? If so is that so different to a rebuild?

It's a bit like Triggers broom, he's had it 20 years and it's had two new handles and three new heads, but he still considers it the same broom.

 

[Romeo]

Would you consider it to be the same boat if every part was replaced over the boats lifetime as running repairs? If so is that so different to a rebuild?

It's a bit like Triggers broom, he's had it 20 years and it's had two new handles and three new heads, but he still considers it the same broom.

I think the highland man's broom is different, as it evovles slowly over time. I also don't think there will be many, if any, boats that have had all their timber replaced over time gradually, whereas there are quite a few about now where the original has been destroyed in order to pretend that a new boat is the original.

 

[Woodlouse]

I think the highland man's broom is different, as it evovles slowly over time. I also don't think there will be many, if any, boats that have had all their timber replaced over time gradually, whereas there are quite a few about now where the original has been destroyed in order to pretend that a new boat is the original.

When a boat is rebuilt the original material isn't just destroyed. If it gets replaced it's because it needs it and for most, it's not a decision taken lightly as what anyone undertaking a rebuild is trying to achieve is to restore the boat to it's former glory. If all they wanted was a new boat then sure, they'd build a replica.

The thing if a complete rebuild does nothing but build a new a different boat, at which point does that transition occur? How much of the original boat has to be in the structure, to satisfy that it's the same boat? Say for arguments sake a single piece of the original structure was sufficient, if that was then removed and used in an identical design being built along side then which is the original boat? The one it came from? Or the one it went into?

It's an argument that can go on for ever and no one will ever win. No one ever changes their mind in internet discussions anyway. I'll finish by stating that if an old boat goes into a shed, and two years later, comes out again, after having been taken apart and put back together again, then she to my mind is the same boat whether any of the original structure remains or not. Which is why Cornubia will always be a Bristol Channel Pilot Cutter whilst Ezra will always be a replica.

 

[Tayra]

What's a Classic?

Joshua Slocum used an old wreck of a working boat as a template for Spray does that make it a replica or a 'classic' ?

 

[oldharry]

A bit out of our normal league, but they reckon all Victory's timbers have been replaced at least twice since Trafalgar.

Will the real Admiral Nelson stand up please?